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re: Where does Robert E Lee rank as a military tactician
Posted on 1/20/20 at 4:41 pm to goatmilker
Posted on 1/20/20 at 4:41 pm to goatmilker
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Rivers vs the Atlantic ocean was the point.
The Atlantic Ocean wasn't the whole story in the Revolutionary War. Read Rick Atkinson's first volume on the Revolution entitled "The British Are Coming." Parliament and the British population were split virtually down the middle on America before the conflict even began.
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It wasn't just Lee's responsibility or fault in swaying public opinion.
True. However, victories in the field did more to hurt public opinion in the North than anything Jefferson Davis and his Confederate government could have ever hoped to accomplish. Had Lee started digging trenches in Virginia soil in 1862 rather than 1864, the chances of forcing Lincoln to the negotiating table would have increased dramatically. In the end, Lee's over aggression was his demise.
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 4:42 pm to antibarner
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They were butchers. So was Lincoln. They weighed what was at stake vs lives, and they traded lives for it.
The entire war was a tragedy that never should have happened, and the hotheads on both sides should have been hanged and the differences worked out.
Slavery was nearing its end anyway, and anyone with foresight could see it.
It's too bad they didn't have nuclear weapons back then, eh sport?
Posted on 1/20/20 at 4:44 pm to rmnldr
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As a tactician, other generals such as Jackson were immaculate.
There's another incorrect statement. Jackson was an average tactician but superb at force manipulation and maneuver. However, he dropped the ball at key moments where it shouldn't have been dropped. Two examples that immediately come to mind are his performances in the Seven Days' Campaign as well as his performance at the Battle of Second Manassas.
This post was edited on 1/20/20 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 1/20/20 at 4:45 pm to RollTide1987
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wish. It's just a hobby right now but maybe one day it'll be a money maker for me.
My dream job would be working at the wwii museum in Nola. Such an amazing place.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 4:45 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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The most positive thing to say about Lee is that his incompetence as a military leader
Posted on 1/20/20 at 4:58 pm to mattloc
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2 failed incursions into Union territory.
His big mistake imo. Should have just played defense and the union would have given up imo
Posted on 1/20/20 at 5:08 pm to deltaland
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Should have just played defense
That was his best chance to win. Longstreet came around to this way of thinking after they won so easily at Fredericksburg.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 6:05 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
You're right. They could have nuked the hell out of wherever it was you were born in a preemptive strike, and that way the board wouldn't be plagued with you today. President Davis surely would have ordered a multiple warhead package to make sure the deed was done properly.
This post was edited on 1/20/20 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 1/20/20 at 6:16 pm to antibarner
Nah. Just the women and children antibarner the hero doesn't like.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 6:24 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
As long as they made sure you wouldn't be around. in this case collateral damage would have been acceptable. A service to humanity AND the board in one massive flash of thermonuclear glory.
After all, they were only Yankees.
After all, they were only Yankees.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 6:30 pm to antibarner
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After all, they were only Yankees.
Sherman was only a Yankee, too.
Cheers, friend.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 6:35 pm to mattloc
Lee was drawn into Gettysburg. It wasn’t his choice. He had lost Stonewall and JEB Stuart’s cavalry was off galavanting and left him blind. Not pulling back from Gettysburg and instead throwing a Hail Mary with Pickett’s Charge is a stain on him.
However, he bled Grant dry during Grant’s pursuit while working with scraps.
However, he bled Grant dry during Grant’s pursuit while working with scraps.
This post was edited on 1/20/20 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 1/20/20 at 6:36 pm to mattloc
Not sure where he’s ranked, but he’s last in the standings, thank God.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 6:49 pm to RollTide1987
I believe everyone would agree that winning victories in the field is most important in swaying public opinion lol.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 7:00 pm to goatmilker
Grant became so tired of getting his arse handed to him by Lee who was 2:1 outnumbered in most engagements that be broke off his pursuit of Lee and took his Army south to cross the St. James River on the biggest pontoon crossing ever to get his Army behind Lee.
Grant couldn’t beat Lee head to head with 2:1 numbers. He had to break off and move his army using his overwhelming resources that allowed him to cross the river.
Grant couldn’t beat Lee head to head with 2:1 numbers. He had to break off and move his army using his overwhelming resources that allowed him to cross the river.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 7:02 pm to Scoop
When attacking a enemy force on its home territory you need a three to one back in the day.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 7:08 pm to Scoop
Grant was a cuck
Posted on 1/20/20 at 7:11 pm to goatmilker
That’s bullshite. Grant had the Mississippi and all of the supply lines. He wasn’t operating in enemy territory.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 7:33 pm to Scoop
The mistake was made in not dealing with ol' Ulysses in Mississippi. And that mistake was made by putting Pemberton in charge at Vicksburg.
Grant and Sherman might still be trying to break into that city, they were losing men and having no luck, the only way they won there was starving the defenders out. Pemberton failed to prepare for a long siege by not evacuating his non combatants(fewer mouths to feed) and failing to negotiate with the locals and filling his warehouses.They needed a competent commander in charge.
They could have fixed Grant there, and instead of invading the North this was where the war would be won or lost. Everything that could be sent to break this siege needed to be sent to take on Grant.
Longstreet's First Corps. Forrest's Cavalry. The barrel needed to be scraped and sent to Joe Johnston or whoever but it had to be done.
Grant and Sherman might still be trying to break into that city, they were losing men and having no luck, the only way they won there was starving the defenders out. Pemberton failed to prepare for a long siege by not evacuating his non combatants(fewer mouths to feed) and failing to negotiate with the locals and filling his warehouses.They needed a competent commander in charge.
They could have fixed Grant there, and instead of invading the North this was where the war would be won or lost. Everything that could be sent to break this siege needed to be sent to take on Grant.
Longstreet's First Corps. Forrest's Cavalry. The barrel needed to be scraped and sent to Joe Johnston or whoever but it had to be done.
This post was edited on 1/20/20 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 1/20/20 at 7:58 pm to mattloc
Trump would classify him as a loser. Since most of this board treats trump* as a god-like being, I guess that would be the consensus.
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