- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: When the Going Gets Tough, the Electric go Petrol
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:49 am to Powerman
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:49 am to Powerman
The answer that makes everyone happy? We probably already have it. Hydrogen fuel cell technology.
You get power like a gasoline engine, and what comes out of the tailpipe? Potable water.
We get it from Natural gas presently, but it's everywhere, in water. If we get to a point we can economically separate it from say seawater, and the end product of its consumption is water, that's the perfect renewable.
The Druids can't scream about the environment, and we keep our vehicles.
You get power like a gasoline engine, and what comes out of the tailpipe? Potable water.
We get it from Natural gas presently, but it's everywhere, in water. If we get to a point we can economically separate it from say seawater, and the end product of its consumption is water, that's the perfect renewable.
The Druids can't scream about the environment, and we keep our vehicles.
This post was edited on 5/24/21 at 10:51 am
1
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:54 am to crash1211
quote:
What is the size of standard batteries that would run the car? How much space would it require to store charged and depleted batteries? Would it require Warehouse to store these quick change batteries?
All of this, plus, how many employees would you need at each battery station? More jobs, that would be a good thing for the country, but it's going to cost the hell out of you to drive your vehicle.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:58 am to antibarner
quote:
We get it from Natural gas presently, but it's everywhere, in water.
It takes more energy to separate the hydrogen out of water than you can get from said hydrogen in a fuel cell.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 11:29 am to Perfect Circle
quote:
Green technology can't yet compete with internal combustion.
Exactly.
I plan to be the last person on the planet to drive an electric truck. If I can find fuel I will drive a gas or diesel truck.
Absolutely ZERO desire to drive electric.
With that being said I support anyone who wants to drive an electric car. Drive what you want, what fits your needs. I could see a great market for all electric in large cities but it just wont work for me.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 11:53 am to CptRusty
I think I made that point, did I not? It would take some advances, but we can already get it from gas, and future technology could make it even more viable IF we get to a point we can separate it from water more economically.
This is better than electric any day, you still have to generate electricity and have batteries to deal with, both producing them and getting rid of them, and just as good as gasoline, not to mention the end product is far better.
This is better than electric any day, you still have to generate electricity and have batteries to deal with, both producing them and getting rid of them, and just as good as gasoline, not to mention the end product is far better.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 12:04 pm to antibarner
quote:
future technology could make it even more viable IF we get to a point we can separate it from water more economically.
No. It doesn't matter how much our technology advances, we aren't going to be breaking the second law of thermodynamics. No matter what, the process of separating out the hydrogen will be less than 100% efficient, and then on the backside, fuel cells currently operate at 40-60% thermal efficiency. Even if massive strides were made and you got to 80% thermal efficiency, you're still requiring WAY more energy to create the hydrogen from water than you can recover in the fuel cell. It's nonsense.
If we find another economical and scalable source for raw hydrogen, then that might be different, but you can forget water.
quote:
This is better than electric any day, you still have to generate electricity and have batteries to deal with, both producing them and getting rid of them, and just as good as gasoline, not to mention the end product is far better.
Disagree. The transmission losses and storage losses for electric power are miniscule compared to the energy requirements for transport of anything you need to truck around in a tank, which is not to mention cryogenics.
The real long term solution is nuclear power, battery tech advances, and continued expansion of EV support infrastructure.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 1:16 pm to Perfect Circle
quote:
F-150 Lightning EV
LOL fricking Ford
I drag my nuts on Ford products
Posted on 5/24/21 at 1:18 pm to concrete_tiger
Think of all the lazy college kids who would say they can’t come to work, because their drunk asses forgot to plug their cars in.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 1:33 pm to wryder1
quote:
Why can’t they put a small lawn mower engine in it that runs a small charger to give it longer life?
Posted on 5/24/21 at 1:40 pm to CptRusty
quote:
The real long term solution is nuclear power, battery tech advances, and continued expansion of EV support infrastructure.
Agreed. And in the mean time EVs are fine for what they're typically used for today - moving people relatively short distances.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 2:16 pm to teke184
As with forklifts. I’ve been in the forklift industry 7 years now and electrics are pretty much scrapped after 10 years whereas ice forklifts still hold 30-40% of new
Posted on 5/24/21 at 2:43 pm to concrete_tiger
quote:It's really 20 minutes, and if you're on a road trip there is no issues finding a charger, that's just an incorrect assumption on your part that you can't find a charger.
People keep saying that stopping for 30 minutes to charge is no big deal (it is, if you can find a charger).
quote:This assumption really doesn't make sense, I'm not tracking why you made the assumption of changing gas pumps to chargers, that's really not how it'll work.
Let’s assume a gas station has 12 pumps. They can fill 12 cars in a 5 minute window (maybe more, I’ve seen people buying $5 in gas).
If they change every pump to a charger (they won’t), you can fill 12 cars every 30 minutes.
But that being said, yes if every car magically turned into an EV, there would be a huge shortage of charging stations, but again, that's not relevant or how it'll happen. Also, you're making this comparison to today. Think about where this technology was in terms of charge times just 5 years ago, now ask yourself where charge times will be 5 or even 10 years from now. One can only assume they'll be even quicker than they are now.
quote:Because again, your comparison isn't really relevant to real world situations.
Why doesn’t anyone mention this? Gas stations on major routes would have lines every day like a gas shortage.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 2:48 pm to teke184
quote:This isn't close to true.
Replacing the battery costs more than the car.
We can find many issues with EVs, there's no reason to make some up that aren't even factual
Posted on 5/24/21 at 2:51 pm to Spasweezy
quote:Do these same kids forget to put gas in their cars who say they can't come into work because their drunk asses forget to get gas?
Think of all the lazy college kids who would say they can’t come to work, because their drunk asses forgot to plug their cars in.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 2:51 pm to shel311
Just curious bc I have no idea- how much is the cost of a battery for a Tesla or equivalent?
Edit: quick search shows between 14k and 16k with labor. There’s an actual invoice you can see from a Tesla customer that totaled up to 16k and change
Edit: quick search shows between 14k and 16k with labor. There’s an actual invoice you can see from a Tesla customer that totaled up to 16k and change
This post was edited on 5/24/21 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 5/24/21 at 2:52 pm to wryder1
Does anyone know how much re-charges will cost?
Posted on 5/24/21 at 2:56 pm to Perfect Circle
quote:Wasthis sarcasm, because I towed regularly more than a hundred miles one way?
Shouldn’t be a problem. Nobody ever tows anything more than 100 miles.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 3:15 pm to roguetiger15
quote:Is that recent? I know in just the past 2 years the cost has come down drastically, and if you're on the lower end of batteries, you can easily come in under $10k.
Just curious bc I have no idea- how much is the cost of a battery for a Tesla or equivalent?
Edit: quick search shows between 14k and 16k with labor. There’s an actual invoice you can see from a Tesla customer that totaled up to 16k and change
Also important to note that on newer Teslas, you wouldn't need a replacement until 300k miles at the very earliest, so for 99% of folks(or whatever the actual # is) a replacement battery is something they'd never have to worry about since very few people will keep a car for 300k+ miles.
This post was edited on 5/24/21 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 5/24/21 at 3:16 pm to Bandit1980
quote:For what exactly?
Does anyone know how much re-charges will cost?
Posted on 5/24/21 at 3:44 pm to wryder1
quote:
Why can’t they put a small lawn mower engine in it that runs a small charger to give it longer life? If they could make it get 100mpg, that would be a huge deal.
That was the Chevy Volt. It ran fully electric for some time and then a small constant speed ICE ran a generator to provide the juice. Kind of made sense, but then it was a GM product.
Page 4 of 8
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News