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re: When the Going Gets Tough, the Electric go Petrol
Posted on 5/24/21 at 9:01 am to Tridentds
Posted on 5/24/21 at 9:01 am to Tridentds
quote:1st we get EV's and now math too? Nobody told me there'd be math today. sheesh!
If you feed a water tank with a 1/4" line and the dump valve is 1" how much longer do you think you will be able to get water from that water tank?
Maff... it always works.
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Posted on 5/24/21 at 9:09 am to Bard
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Musk has an idea on that but it would mean the entire industry has to conform to a standard on battery placement and mechanism for removal so that's simply not going to happen (if it did, the swapout time would be something like a minute to a minute and a half).
I think another problem you would see: You are taking your 1st trip in your new electric vehicle and after 300 miles, you pull in to get your batteries changed out, and they change you out with a set of old batteries, that only hold a charge for 100 miles, you are going to be pissed.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 9:15 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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So, not ideal then...
Conditionally. If you are towing a relatively short distance, it's better. If beyond that, it's worthless.
The best of both worlds is a hybrid, so you get the torque of the electric engine but with the hauling of internal combustion.
This post was edited on 5/24/21 at 9:17 am
Posted on 5/24/21 at 9:18 am to auggie
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I think another problem you would see: You are taking your 1st trip in your new electric vehicle and after 300 miles, you pull in to get your batteries changed out, and they change you out with a set of old batteries, that only hold a charge for 100 miles, you are going to be pissed.
Except you can measure battery capacitance before you leave.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 9:23 am to jonnyanony
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Except you can measure battery capacitance before you leave.
You can measure if it is fully charged, but I doubt you will be able to measure how long it will hold that charge, older batteries don't hold a charge as long, and besides that, you have to take what they have stocked, or take the time to recharge your batteries.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 9:23 am to Perfect Circle
Electric vehicles are where they need to be for commuter "people-hauling" duty. Even long range trips are fine as long as the route has superchargers along the way, which are becoming quite common.
Cargo hauling, on the other hand, is going to require a lot of work in the battery department. The motors themselves are perfect for towing, it's just that the battery technology isn't quite there yet.
There are other logistical concerns, like access to superchargers in remote locations, for example, but those are the easy to solve problems.
Cargo hauling, on the other hand, is going to require a lot of work in the battery department. The motors themselves are perfect for towing, it's just that the battery technology isn't quite there yet.
There are other logistical concerns, like access to superchargers in remote locations, for example, but those are the easy to solve problems.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 9:39 am to wryder1
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Why can’t they put a small lawn mower engine in it that runs a small charger to give it longer life? If they could make it get 100mpg, that would be a huge deal.
Physics, the little lawn mower engine driven generator cannot restore energy to the truck batteries at anywhere near the same rate it is being removed.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 9:56 am to concrete_tiger
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Let’s assume a gas station has 12 pumps.
Each level 3 charger will require a 480V, 150 kW connection. I don't think that kind of power is generally available unless you're in an industrial park.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:00 am to roguetiger15
If France is any indication, the resale value is nil.
Replacing the battery costs more than the car.
Replacing the battery costs more than the car.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:00 am to Perfect Circle
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Green technology can't yet compete with internal combustion
And never will.
Not in our life time
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:01 am to Perfect Circle
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Efforts to force a more expensive, less efficient alternative is typical of "woke" politics.
He said...after the 1st fricking option in electric trucks after decades of gas-powered.
The right needs to do a much better job of learning how to debate in ways that aren't so easily destroyed by logic.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:03 am to Screaming Viking
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Don’t like being forced into anything. Allow the market to create the inventions as they can.
No one is forcing anyone; the market did just that.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:09 am to ocelot4ark
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No one is forcing anyone; the market did just that.
How would you characterize government mandates?
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SACRAMENTO – Governor Gavin Newsom today announced that he will aggressively move the state further away from its reliance on climate change-causing fossil fuels while retaining and creating jobs and spurring economic growth – he issued an executive order requiring sales of all new passenger vehicles to be zero-emission by 2035 and additional measures to eliminate harmful emissions from the transportation sector.
LINK
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:11 am to ocelot4ark
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He said...after the 1st fricking option in electric trucks after decades of gas-powered.
So is it less efficient and more expensive? I don't give a frick about your excuses why.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:14 am to PhDoogan
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So, to overcome these efficiency deficits, electric cars require greater electricity consumption, ergo greater greater electrical production, ergo greater coal & fossil fuel consumption, ergo greater carbon emissions.
Almost like obtaining peace through war.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:34 am to Bard
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Musk has an idea on that but it would mean the entire industry has to conform to a standard on battery placement and mechanism for removal so that's simply not going to happen (if it did, the swapout time would be something like a minute to a minute and a half).
What is the size of standard batteries that would run the car? How much space would it require to store charged and depleted batteries? Would it require Warehouse to store these quick change batteries?
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:36 am to ocelot4ark
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No one is forcing anyone; the market did just that.
the research is going on for cleaner ways of doing things. has been for a while. it is not there yet. when the technology reaches the point that it can effectively do what the internal combustion engine can do, and for a similar price, there will be lines for them. and the lines will be filled with hunters, fishermen, farmers, etc. You know, the people that you think would never do such a thing.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:37 am to Perfect Circle
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Green technology can't yet compete with internal combustion.
Teslas can but they're not cheap
Everyone else is playing catchup to Tesla on this front
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:38 am to PhDoogan
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ergo greater coal & fossil fuel consumptio
Coal is dying bro
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:48 am to Powerman
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Coal is dying bro
I think if you started powering all vehicles with electricity, building coal fired power plants might become a necessity, due to the increased demand for electricity. That electricity has to come from someplace. Man that would be hilarious!
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