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re: When the Going Gets Tough, the Electric go Petrol

Posted on 5/26/21 at 10:45 am to
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
26707 posts
Posted on 5/26/21 at 10:45 am to
Out of your price range if you have to ask. Go jump in your Soymobile that you paid three times its resale value for.
Posted by LSU2a
SWLA to Dallas
Member since Aug 2012
2898 posts
Posted on 5/26/21 at 7:19 pm to
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I love it when innovative companies and the free market set out to prove arrogant soydrinkers wrong...snicker.


I agree. Tesla really disrupted the car market and proved a lot of arrogant people wrong.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 5/26/21 at 8:55 pm to
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If you feed a 1/4" line into a 1" line it will last longer than if you didn't feed it with anything is what he was saying. Not fixing the issue and making it a fully sustainable solution but making it just go further.


Because od losses involved it makes no sense.

"Tesla model 3 Level 1 charging uses the standard 110/120V electric outlet used in most homes. This gives you at least 2 miles of Tesla range per hour of charging (and as many as 4 miles) depending on variables. This means that on an average, a Tesla Model 3 will get a bare minimum of 25 miles (40 kilometers) of range with a single, 12 hour night charge.

A Honda EU2000 generator will provide 120 volts at a maximum of 20 amps, equivilent to the capacity of a standard 120 volt 20 amp home outlet as needed by the Tesla level 1 charger. The EU2000 is the most fuel efficeint available at this power level. The Tesla level I uses 16 amps at 120 volts while charging, this equates to a 75% load on the EU2000 which will run 6 hours at that load on .92 gallons of gas .


To add 25 miles to the range of the Tesla model 3 will require running the generator 12 hours burning almost 2 gallonns of gas, and this is with the car stopped, charging while moving would just make the numbers worse.

Just burning the two gallons of gas in a Hond Civiv would have carried you 60 miles or more.

Any method you chose to charge faster requires putting more energy into the battery in less time this will allways equate to more gas burned. No way around the physics.

Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33369 posts
Posted on 5/26/21 at 9:19 pm to
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Why can’t they put a small lawn mower engine in it that runs a small charger to give it longer life? If they could make it get 100mpg, that would be a huge deal.



You just described a Chevy Volt, which is actually a far superior design to any all electric vehicle offered today...but it just ain’t green enough
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33369 posts
Posted on 5/26/21 at 9:24 pm to
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I agree. Tesla really disrupted the car market and proved a lot of arrogant people wrong.


They really didn’t, and I’m a big Musk fan but the company isn’t even profitable and doesn’t even sell a fraction of what major companies like GM, Ford or Toyota does.

The electric push isn’t because the cars are better, but you knew that
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
26707 posts
Posted on 5/26/21 at 10:32 pm to
No matter how much the plug in boys want it to be so, electric cars are not the answer and still have a long way to go. The American People don't want those toys.

They dismiss fuel cells, but I have shown evidence that large corporations have damn sure not done so, and the soy drinkers have shown little to refute me.

You can't plug in ships, trains, aircraft, and heavy trucks and equipment. But I have shown that fuel cells or hydrogen can run them all and run them clean. We will see who's right in the next few years.
This post was edited on 5/26/21 at 10:35 pm
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 5/26/21 at 10:50 pm to
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You just described a Chevy Volt, which is actually a far superior design to any all electric vehicle offered today...but it just ain’t green enough


It was just a hybrid, running in the all electric mode it only had a range of 53 miles, utilizing the gas powered generator to get the maximum range resulted in 40mpg gas consumption, in either mode it was severely underpowered. Might as well buy a conventional economy car, get the same mileage, better performance and not have worry about charging, and battery life. It was discontinued in 2019
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