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re: When is DOGE going to investigate the USDA and farmers?
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:35 pm to RollTide4547
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:35 pm to RollTide4547
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A Copper River Red Salmon, also known as a Sockeye Salmon,
You got it slick! Congrats.
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6 lb average
Is not 4 lbs, City boy. Many are much larger, but a 4 lb sockeye is small.
This post was edited on 2/21/25 at 12:37 pm
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Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:38 pm to Diamondawg
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I’m uneducated on the subject but I remember reading a ton of large subsidies go to the food manufacturers that produce junk food due to welfare.
I don't think it would be wise to stop all subsidies at once but give everyone say a 5 year notice and cut them 20% per year. At the end of 5 years the best run farms will survive Food prices might go up but the money saved on subsidies will more than offset that.
I do not want to stop all the subsidies. I want the government to look into them and investigate the subsidies and find out which ones are legit and which ones are a waste of money like planting a cover crop that the farmer kills the next spring. Which in the case of corn farming the cover crop killing starts about 2 months after the cover is planted. I also wanted the recipients of the payments audited and the abusers punished. One of the brothers who farm that I looked up just recently bought himself a new truck, his wife a new Escalade, and his 19 year old side piece (who was in class with his daughter) a new mustang. As well as a second membership in a million dollar plus hunting club and last fall he was the talk of the town because he had such a bad crop. There ain't no way he and his brother are on the up and up. Of course if I even mention that to my family members or chime in that they might be up to something fishy they immediately take up for the farmer or something like "everyone knows they are up to something shady but who cares." The farmers who are on the up and up should keep getting their subsidies if the subsidy is for something that is not insanely stupid because the government does f**k with their business and they should be compensate something for that. However, the ones who are not on the up and up need to be looked into and prosecuted just like the people who worked for USAID and were not on the up and up. I am willing to bet that if farm subsidies were looked into they would find that way more than 10% of those subsidies are fraudulent or just complete wasted on stupid ideas that only benefit seed and chemical companies with farmers just being the middle man.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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6 lb average
Between 4 and 6 is not a 6 lb average. Math is haaaarrrrrrd. Average would be 5 and that would be just as close to 4 as it is to 6. Hmmm
"Probably average 16 filets per sockeye."
The ones I filleted had 2 sides. We got 2 filets (one from each side). Guess we could could have cut each side int 8 pieces, but we'd have had the same amount of meat.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:44 pm to RollTide4547
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Between 4 and 6 is not a 6 lb average.
Reds get larger than 8 lbs, junior.
Youre losing and keep displaying you have no clue what youre talking about.
Each fish nets a good 4 lbs plus of meat. You get 3-5 filets per lb.
Youre looking at somewhere between 700-900 filets for a day dipnetting for 4 ppl.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:48 pm to Lugnut
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The prices you posted also includes Continuous CRP which is different than General CRP.
The cap for general CRP is $240 and the cap for continuous CRP is $300. So no, I did not post prices for continuous CRP.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:48 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Reds get larger than 8 lbs, junior.
Maybe so, but they don't average larger than 8. That's what I was talking about.
quote:Every accusation by a liberal is actually a confession.
Youre losing and keep displaying you have no clue what youre talking about.
quote:What are you making finger foods? 4oz filets? One full grown man would need 4 of those for dinner.
You get 3-5 filets per lb.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:56 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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Farmers knew that the weather was going to affect their income when they decided to become farmers. Why do farmers get to buy risk protection insurance (aka crop insurance) when other business do not?
Because farmers work with the risk of act of god calamities. How do you spell June hail storms?
So does everyone else. The shop owners who had their shops destroyed in the Palisades fire might eventually have insurance pay them a fraction of the cost of the value of the building and goods lost. However, nobody is going to pay them for the income they are not making in the months or years it takes to get their business back up and running.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:59 pm to WeeWee
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I do not want to stop all the subsidies. I want the government to look into them and investigate the subsidies and find out which ones are legit and which ones are a waste of money like planting a cover crop that the farmer kills the next spring. Which in the case of corn farming the cover crop killing starts about 2 months after the cover is planted. I also wanted the recipients of the payments audited and the abusers punished.
As someone who works for these agencies, I absolutely agree with you! There are great programs and then there are programs that are absolutely terrible. There are producers who are honest and then there are one who are terrible. Trust me the local office know who they are. The problem is the National and state offices that make the policies that the local offices have to follow. I would absolutely welcome DOGE to look into it but it honestly needs to be done with someone actually in the office looking.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 1:01 pm to LSUA 75
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If he got crop insurance or subsidy or whatever to stay afloat it’s fine by me.
Your tax dollars paid 60% of the insurance premium. If you want to see how much he has gotten in direct payments then click here.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 1:05 pm to WeeWee
It's a sham.
I have a small farm, mainly for self sufficiency and a hobby. I don't want or get shite.
There are some big time ranchers around here that have made more in subsidies than they have at the sale barn.
I have a small farm, mainly for self sufficiency and a hobby. I don't want or get shite.
There are some big time ranchers around here that have made more in subsidies than they have at the sale barn.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 1:08 pm to Lugnut
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I do not want to stop all the subsidies. I want the government to look into them and investigate the subsidies and find out which ones are legit and which ones are a waste of money like planting a cover crop that the farmer kills the next spring. Which in the case of corn farming the cover crop killing starts about 2 months after the cover is planted. I also wanted the recipients of the payments audited and the abusers punished.
As someone who works for these agencies, I absolutely agree with you! There are great programs and then there are programs that are absolutely terrible. There are producers who are honest and then there are one who are terrible. Trust me the local office know who they are. The problem is the National and state offices that make the policies that the local offices have to follow. I would absolutely welcome DOGE to look into it but it honestly needs to be done with someone actually in the office looking.
Why? DOGE or some other auditor can look into the books remotely and come up with a list of questionable programs and suspect payments. Then people can some out and investigate the list that they were given by DOGE. It would be much more efficient to do it that way than to pay for plan tickets, hotel rooms, rental cars, etc for inspectors to come out to each individual USDA office.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 1:10 pm to theronswanson
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So government handouts of taxpayer money (aka welfare) is ok for farmers but bad for everyone else?
What farmers receive isn't a "handout" but rather a check for the difference in the guaranteed minimum payment and the average CBOT price. In essence, if prices remain above the target price, they receive nothing. The prices set in the last farm bill are all below breakeven but haven't been low enough to trigger a payment in several years. I've talked to farmers in 3 or 4 states over the last several months and all of them are in a precarious financial position after the last few years. These guys are good farmers, good businessmen, and don't live lavish lifestyles but when you spend $1 making a crop and only get 90 cents back it eventually bites you in the arse.
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theronswanson
I hate to break it to you but if all these farmers you hold in such low regard went out of business there would be mass starvation across the U.S. People smarter than you know this which is why I don't see the government getting out of agriculture anytime soon. Deal With It!
Posted on 2/21/25 at 1:21 pm to samson73103
It's the price we pay for a stable, dependable food supply.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 1:31 pm to WeeWee
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Why? DOGE or some other auditor can look into the books remotely and come up with a list of questionable programs and suspect payments. Then people can some out and investigate the list that they were given by DOGE. It would be much more efficient to do it that way than to pay for plan tickets, hotel rooms, rental cars, etc for inspectors to come out to each individual USDA office.
Because the “books” can only give you an idea, they don’t show everything. A lot of the waste and fraud can be cleaned up by changing policies used to administer the programs. An example would be like the type of sales evidence that is required for certain program payments. They should all be verifiable through a 3rd party. (Sales receipts that I can call the buyer and verify) But with the way the policy is written, it can be up to interpretation and based on experience, anything that is rejected is almost certainly overturned on appeal.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 1:53 pm to WeeWee
In the past, likely. The current grain cost, equipment cost and input costs leave a minimal margin of profit. Grain prices mirror what they were 30 years ago while the costs of equipment has soared 500%.
I do believe a lot of crop insurance claims, specifically in the mid west, fall into the fraud category.
The average row crop farmer in the SE isn't getting fat from subsidized governments handouts.
I do believe a lot of crop insurance claims, specifically in the mid west, fall into the fraud category.
The average row crop farmer in the SE isn't getting fat from subsidized governments handouts.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 2:10 pm to samson73103
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What farmers receive isn't a "handout" but rather a check for the difference in the guaranteed minimum payment and the average CBOT price. In essence, if prices remain above the target price, they receive nothing.
They receive a lot more than that.
I posted the link to this chart a page or two back. You see the little section of dark green in the column projected direct payments to farmers in FY25? That is the payments related to prices. It is a small percentage of the overall payments. The majority of direct payments to farmers are called "other payments" and they are the ones that farmers do not want the public to know about. I can guarantee you that any farmer you talk to will swear up and down they never receive those payments but a quick search will likely prove they are lying.
This post was edited on 2/21/25 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 2/21/25 at 2:20 pm to WeeWee
70% of federal funds go to 10% of farming operations. Those 10% are also in the top 10% for size. Need to rework the system to let people fail who should and actually help smaller operators instead of the massive corp operations.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 2:22 pm to jimmyjohn19
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The average row crop farmer in the SE isn't getting fat from subsidized governments handouts.
The average row crop farmer if he is playing by the rules are not the problem. It is the ones like the 2 brothers I mentioned earlier than everyone knows are not playing by the rules that are the problem. The fact that agriculture community will not call out or turn in those who are breaking the rules is another problem. If farmers would stop being so damn narrow minded and realize that just because the government is going after the bad actors does mean the government is going after them.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 2:39 pm to WeeWee
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The government is literally paying my family not to grow cotton because they are wanting to help build ties with countries in Central Asia. USAID is handling the payments to the central Asian countries but the USDA is the one writing the checks to my family members.
But you see, they're paying a cotton growing ag industry to stay on the ready while they use this trade opportunity to nudge central asian powers into the US sphere of influence due to trade dependencies. That's long-game ROI.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 2:41 pm to RollTide4547
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At least you didn't argue with being a homo bottom.
Oh, no doubt you are, city boy.
Why would I dispute that?
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