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re: When is DOGE going to investigate the USDA and farmers?
Posted on 2/21/25 at 10:49 am to theronswanson
Posted on 2/21/25 at 10:49 am to theronswanson
I see you don't know the first thing about farming. That "private entity" has so many factors out of their control that could cause them to have a bad year and not sustain themselves. It's not like oh you can't grow crops or your cows aren't producing the amount of milk they should so you just must be bad at farming and so you get no help.
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Posted on 2/21/25 at 10:49 am to Lugnut
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I guess your are talking about the Sustainable Rice Platform???
That program is suspect at best.
Input costs are too high for American farmers when Brazil and China have access to older technologies (seed/chemicals) that we cannot use.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 10:51 am to CDawson
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3. Subsidize it if it is a failure
Despite pivot irrigation, farming is a risky venture.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 10:58 am to samson73103
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Farmer's don't get to set a price for their commodities unlike other businesses.
Neither do gas stations or anything in healthcare.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:00 am to RogerTheShrubber
One of the things they need to investigate is the minority lending under the Farmer's Home Administration (USDA). If you're not familiar, it's an agency that provides lending to "qualified" farmers. Historically, if the loans weren't paid back, FHA would foreclose on the farm and its assets to recover the funds. Under the Clinton administration, minority farmers started to claim racism if they weren't approved for a loan. Even though in most cases, the criteria for loan qualification was very clear, the higher ups in the USDA gave direction to grant loans regardless of qualifications for minority applicants. For those that failed to pay the loans back they were ordered not to foreclose. The knowledge of this process spread fast and was abused then and I believe is still being abused to this day to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars annually.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:04 am to WeeWee
They also don't face the outside influences and issues farmers have to deal with. If it rains or snows or there is a drought gas station and healthcare workers still can go to work and it doesn't change what they get paid.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:05 am to Lugnut
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I guess your are talking about the Sustainable Rice Platform???
It was a typo. CRP were the prices posted. There are still other federally funded programs that also pay to not farm land.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:08 am to theronswanson
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theronswanson
That's easy for you to say. How long could you survive growing your own food? Couple weeks, maybe?
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:09 am to WeeWee
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Neither do gas stations or anything in healthcare.
bullshite. Gas stations do in fact mark up the price above what they pay to the distributor. And there is a tremendous profit margin on everything health related.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:10 am to LARancher1991
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ee you don't know the first thing about farming. That "private entity" has so many factors out of their control that could cause them to have a bad year and not sustain themselves. It's not like oh you can't grow crops or your cows aren't producing the amount of milk they should so you just must be bad at farming and so you get no help.
So government handouts of taxpayer money (aka welfare) is ok for farmers but bad for everyone else? No. We need to reign in government spending and that includes farmers. We are laying off government workers and it’s time farmers are asked to do the same.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:12 am to theronswanson
So you are comparing government workers who basically do nothing to people that feed and clothe the country? Also I'd be curious to know which farmers are getting these checks cause mine sure hasn't come in the mail and what the stipulations are for getting this government assistance.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:13 am to WeeWee
The daily "When is DOGE going to blah blah blah some minor fricking issue" thread.
Shocker
Go wipe that baby shite off your dick.
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WeeWee
Shocker
Go wipe that baby shite off your dick.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:13 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I can find all the meat I need with a gun and rod/reel.
Can you?
You need permits for that and a place to do it.
I can, i have a stocked pond. But not everyone has access to that.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:14 am to LARancher1991
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They also don't face the outside influences and issues farmers have to deal with. If it rains or snows or there is a drought gas station and healthcare workers still can go to work and it doesn't change what they get paid.
Farmers knew that the weather was going to affect their income when they decided to become farmers. Why do farmers get to buy risk protection insurance (aka crop insurance) when other business do not? Not only that why do farmers get to buy that insurance and have the federal government subsidize 60% of the cost? The federal government does not subsidize doctors 60% for their malpractice insurance, or restaurants, flower shops, plumbers, builders, for the different insurances that might be required to run their business legally. Not to mention the fact that their is no risk protection insurance for those industries. So why are farmers special?
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:16 am to theronswanson
“So government handouts of taxpayer money (aka welfare) is ok for farmers but bad for everyone else? No”
There is a reason you check the same box when doing your taxes if your income is farming or oil/gas…
Both were /are critical to the preservation of our nation and many years ago the govt promoted investing in them.. but as in all cases we ( myself included)… learned from past generations how to “manage” our activity to maximize the tax benefits..
They definitely need to look into the subsidized aspects of theses industries.. I know a lot of old money that have both industries in their family business and things are abused.. and yes the corps in both industries do the same..
There is a reason you check the same box when doing your taxes if your income is farming or oil/gas…
Both were /are critical to the preservation of our nation and many years ago the govt promoted investing in them.. but as in all cases we ( myself included)… learned from past generations how to “manage” our activity to maximize the tax benefits..
They definitely need to look into the subsidized aspects of theses industries.. I know a lot of old money that have both industries in their family business and things are abused.. and yes the corps in both industries do the same..
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:17 am to dgnx6
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You need permits for that and a place to do it.
i have 20 million acres and rivers/lakes/ocean here in SE AK, which is the size of Florida with only 70k people.
I'll be fine.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:19 am to theronswanson
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No. We need to reign in government spending and that includes farmers.
Deal. When there is no food on shelves, don't you complain.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:25 am to dgnx6
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I can find all the meat I need with a gun and rod/reel.
For a short period of time, yes. How many deer would it take a year for a family of 4 to survive (4 or 5)? Now, how many families are in your neighborhood? Now how many deer are there near you? How many medium sized fish (bream/crappie lets say) would a family of 4 need for dinner? 6? A family of 4 would need 42 fish a week. Now multiply that by the number of neighbors you have... How many fish do think there is in the lakes near you?
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:25 am to RogerTheShrubber
Good for you Roger. Not everyone lives in Alaska and still posts on TD nonstop.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:26 am to notsince98
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It was a typo. CRP were the prices posted. There are still other federally funded programs that also pay to not farm land.
The prices you posted also includes Continuous CRP which is different than General CRP. Continuous CRP pays more because it only takes land (180 feet max) that is next to a stream. It creates a buffer zone for water quality and stream bank stabilization. Again ONLY 180 feet MAX. The rear of the field is still in production. Because this land is so sensitive, the payment rate for this (usually very low acreage) is higher.
I have over 20 years with FSA and NRCS and I would think that I would know if there were other programs that pay farmers not to farm. So I’m very in these “other programs” that you mentioned, so please do tell?
This post was edited on 2/21/25 at 11:31 am
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