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re: When did Republicans stop caring about bodily autonomy?

Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:14 pm to
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:14 pm to
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a sense it did, by not properly equipping her with the knowledge and tools to prevent pregnancy and not properly allowing for a situation in which raising a child would be beneficial.


None of this, absolutely none, is the state’s responsibility.
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
5333 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:14 pm to
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Correct. I think the question revolves around viability


Which is ever changing. NO matter what way you slice it you are ending the life of a homo sapien. I'd bet that homo sapien would rather live and have a chance at a fun life instead of being poisoned and pulled out in piece by piece. I'd venture to bet 25 plus percent of pro choice people would change their mind after watching an actual abortion being performed.
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:15 pm to
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Well shite

That pretty much guts your whole thread.

Why does the woman suddenly lose "bodily autonomy" in the last 3 months?



Let me make a reasonable argument here. When conception first occurs, that cluster of cells is more an extension of the mother than it is a separate being. Over the 9 months, it slowly moves from being part of the mother to being separate. There isn't really a magical place to draw a line in the sand. So, we are left to choose somewhat arbitrary points in time like heartbeats or trimesters.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:15 pm to
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So you are telling us that women are so dumb that they do not know what causes them to get prego?


Nah, just that abstinence-only education is a poor substitute for actual education.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45475 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:15 pm to
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How do the fetus's rights trump the pregnant woman's?
Life of a human being trump's your desire to do as you please.

You can want to use your body to kill your neighbor but your neighbor's right to live supersedes your right to do what you want with your body.

Same for the unborn child.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:15 pm to
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I want the back story!

She used to try and leave the impression she was a doctor........but then, stepped on her proverbial dick
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:15 pm to
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Fetus, not baby. And it's the decision of the individual who is gestating the fetus at the time the decision is made, because theirs is the body being used.




IT IS A HUMAN BEING AT CONCEPTION YOU PIECE OF FUKING ELEPHANT shite
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
83475 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:16 pm to
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I want the back story!

It was awhile ago but basically she was blathering on about health insurnace and was promptly fricking crushed.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:16 pm to
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That's very dishonest of you. In this scenario, someone's rights are being violated.
I agree. Being killed for convenience is definitely a violation of one's rights.

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As a society, we've chosen for 40 years to acknowledge that the pregnant woman's rights supersede those of the fetus.
We were stupid

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Suddenly, Republicans want to do a 180 on this.

Yes
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
5333 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:16 pm to
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That's very dishonest of you. In this scenario, someone's rights are being violated. As a society, we've chosen for 40 years to acknowledge that the pregnant woman's rights supersede those of the fetus. Suddenly, Republicans want to do a 180 on this.


There has been a very large and very vocal group of people against it from the start.
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
21057 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:16 pm to
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think the question revolves around viability,


Define viability
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45475 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:16 pm to
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Correct. I think the question revolves around viability, which isn't the same thing as life cycle.
I thought the question revolves around bodily autonomy? Why would it matter if a "fetus" is viable or not if it's inside a woman who wants to kill it?
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
83475 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:17 pm to
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Nah, just that abstinence-only education is a poor substitute for actual education.

So.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:17 pm to
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That pretty much guts your whole thread.

Why does the woman suddenly lose "bodily autonomy" in the last 3 months?


Viability. Obviously. Were birth to be induced, the baby would have a reasonable chance of surviving, so the mother doesn't have to be forced to continue the pregnancy (though obviously better for the future baby if she does).

Have you not been paying attention?
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14978 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:17 pm to
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the pregnant woman's rights supersede those of the fetus.


what percentage of pregnancy's legitimately are a threat to the mothers life?

If the pregnancy is not a threat to the mother I don't know why there is a need for the mothers rights to supersede the baby's rights.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:18 pm to
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So are you actually a doctor?


Yep!
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:18 pm to
Why are we even arguing anymore in this thread?

Bama's entire premise was that "bodily autonomy" was paramount and then.........she fricking drops this after like 30 pages.

Just to show it again

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Provided we make exceptions for rape/incest/mother's health/incompatibility with life I have no problem with third-trimester bans.



Well shite

That pretty much guts your whole thread.

Why does the woman suddenly lose "bodily autonomy" in the last 3 months?
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:18 pm to
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Another person who doesn't know what "viable" means in this context!

Define it.


The ability of a fetus to survive outside the womb.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:19 pm to
Why are we even arguing anymore in this thread?

Bama's entire premise was that "bodily autonomy" was paramount and then.........she fricking drops this after like 30 pages.


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Provided we make exceptions for rape/incest/mother's health/incompatibility with life I have no problem with third-trimester bans.



Well shite

That pretty much guts your whole thread.

Why does the woman suddenly lose "bodily autonomy" in the last 3 months?
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:19 pm to
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As a society, we've chosen for 40 years to acknowledge that the pregnant woman's rights supersede those of the fetus.


So we've been getting it wrong for 40 years. Time to start getting it right.
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