re: When did Americans begin to swat away from America First?

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When did Americans begin to swat away from America First?

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1913

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Started in the 70's when we had a big time energy crisis. People started looking for economy and quality. The Japanese filled the bill first with economical and trustworthy cars.
From there, other countries decided to tap into where we neglected to concentrate. Presto!

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Just a word of caution here.....this is as true as anything that has ever been written on these boards...but what is not and has never been figured into the equation is how did this happen just 30 years from a time when Japan was completely destroyed by their ill advised plan to rule the world with Germany? How did the rebuild their homes, infrastructure and entire society in 35 years AND build an auto industry that had to export to survive??? The answer is the US Taxpayers paid them to do it...we paid for the development and construction of the Japanese auto industry and then were shocked when the US Auto industry was unable to compete.


That shite is done if Trump is true to his word (if he ain't the next one will be truer as the American worker has seen the light).

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When did Americans begin to swat away from America First?

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When Wal-Mart started selling cheap shite cheaper

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:ahem: you're forgetting something

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And Mississippi farm raised catfish

I dont know how its going to end because all we've heard from literally everyone that fighting globalism is like fighting the tides, but Im curious what the result would be of 35% tariffs.

If the result is higher consumer prices and more American jobs which means that we can't buy a new fricking Iphone every 2 years and a new LCD every 4 then Im not sure Im against seeing what happens. Our consumer culture is a fricking sickness to the extreme its gone to and Im not sure how much "real" quality of life these things have brought to us. After a roof over your head, food in your belly, and your family I think impact is diminished.

That being said, I fully acknowledge that this line of thinking could be extremely short sighted, but Im just kind of curious.

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When did Americans begin to swat away from America First?

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You mean the Anti-War non-interventionist group assembled in the 30s that attempted to counter FDRs agenda of sending millions of Americans to Europe and Asia to fight for SE Pacific hegemony and European allies while preserving the socialist totalitarian state or Stalin and ensuring the communist state of China?

That ended on this day many years ago when Pearl Harbor was attacked by the Japanese following an intense period of US/Japanese intransigence over the future of soon to be communist China and several other issues which had nothing to do with American security and everything to do with FDRs love of Totalitarian power and socialism.


Since that time, virtually everyone confuses "America" with "United States Government" and America became second fiddle to the failed plans and insidious actions of vote seeking politicians and rent seeking corporations.

If your talking about the notion of "buying US made" being "good for America" then the better question is when did this counter productive and economically illiterate notion become popularized and why?

please leave downvotes on your way out.

we've always wanted to buy cheaper stuff ... it didn't 'begin' at any one point in time ... we've never had an 'america first' attitude ...

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I dont know how its going to end because all we've heard from literally everyone that fighting globalism is like fighting the tides, but Im curious what the result would be of 35% tariffs.

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Shits going to get extremely expensive and hard to find...and many Americans are going to lose their jobs. But it will be short lived when we simultaneously quit providing safe passage for products produced over sears to markets all over the world...when the only products that receive such passage are made in the US the rest of the world will have no choice but to buy them or do without. They will be busy scrambling to become secure on their own. There will be all sorts of wars break out....but at the end of the day when all is said and done it will be the same thing as a kid finally telling mama and daddy they are fed up and our of the basement....the kid and mama and daddy are all better off in the long run.

A 35% tarif or any tariff will be meaningless UNLESS we also tell the world they are on their own as far as security goes. We don't need the tariff as we are already placing a huge tariff on every thing built in the US by providing safe passage for shite manufactured in Sri Lanka.....simply refusing to be a global force for good (the Navy's advertising slogan just a few years ago) will be the same thing as slapping a HUGE tariff on foreign manufacturers.

We talk about "free" trade yet we ensure the national security of nations like Canada and Mexico simply because of their geography....and we do the same for nations like Russia and China by making certain that there is a stabilizing influence in the world which allows such nations the luxury of using resources for shite other than locks on the front door. China would stop producing consumer products today if they knew they could change over to military shite and invade Japan and Russia in a few years without any interference from the US.

This has been going on since the end of the second world war and it has worked out tremendously for some but for others it has been disastrous. And in the ultimate insult so many of our leaders and politicians and statesmen have blamed the demise of the manufacturing sector on US Workers....as if subsidizing the competition merely leveled the playing field.

I don't care if Donald Trump rounds up gay folks and forces them to go through conversion therapy, rounds up muslims and deports them all, does the same for mexicans, destorys social security, medicare, public education....none of the things that my side fears is going to happen under a Trump administration IF he will tell the rest of the world they are on their own and mean it.

Unfortunately he doesn't seem to be up to that task. He is talking about increasing military spending which will be heard by the world as "The US Military is going to be stronger...despite rhetoric to the contrary they will intervene if we get in trouble". The second thing that gives me pause is the number of military officers being appointed to the cabinet....for those of you without any exposure to military officers you have never met a more entitled group of people....there entire philosophy is if it ain't working spend more money on it and it will work. They are responsible for the mismanagement of money that is inherent in the military.

This is one reason I am so optimistic....we are either going to tell the world they are on their own which will mean the entire world will be a better place in 20 years OR we are going to spend money like a bunch of drunken sailors (and the latter is looking more realistic with the number of military folks being appointed). The latter will be better for me personally as I will have to hide behind a tree to keep from getting hit with wads of cash much the same way as this country was when Bill Clinton was in office.