re: What's Your Covid Jab Opinion?

It was frick-up of our sensational journalism ecosystem where many see headlines and few read news stories. At the time of approval they knew it was only tested on wild-type and that there were variants that there was unknown immunity against, though there yet was no dominant variant starting to replace the Wuhan strain yet. This was true when nursing home residents and my medical colleagues and I got vaccinated in December '20, and they did caveat it with "we don't how much protection would be provided against other strains", but by spring of '21 they should definitely have been more circumspect about messaging. At the same time, hyping efficacy surely saved lives in the short term but undermined confidence in public health the long-term with populations who were vaccine-skeptical to start with.

I was supposed to die. Joe Biden told me I was. I faced the winter of sickness and death unvaxxed. I didn’t stand a chance.

Yet here I am.

I feel sympathy for the families of all those who died during covid; whether from covid or because they effectively shutdown medical care for anything but emergency care for a year; as well as those injured by the vaccine. I even feel bad; a little bit at least; for those pompous assholes who got vaccinated and demonized those who wouldn’t; yet they still died from covid or an adverse reaction/clot/heart attack.

I think the way it was done was criminal.

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The vaccines reduced the severity of the outcomes. In that sense they were a success.

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That can't be proven. Nor can it be proven that it reduced hospitalizations and/or deaths.

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That can't be proven. Nor can it be proven that it reduced hospitalizations and/or deaths.

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That’s basically the same thing, and yes it can, and has, been proven. You just won’t accept the proof, which I have posted on this board a dozen times, including twice in the last week.

There are numerous studies that all show a lower incidence of hospitalizations and deaths in vaccinated cohorts compared to those in similar unvaccinated cohorts. If you are denying those studies exist, that is tantamount to flat-earthism. If you think they exist, but that doesn’t amount to proof, then technically you might be correct, but these population studies are what the medical community uses to determine what works and what doesn’t. Similarly, I have been a climate change skeptic for over 30 years because I found respected scientists who disagreed with, and debunked, the claims.

If you just don’t trust the scientific community…well, I hope you’re wrong. I don’t trust elements of them either, but when they are claiming something I am suspicious of I look for serious scientists who disagree but are being suppressed. For example, during covid there was supposedly a scientific consensus that we should lock down, but there wasn’t. There were top-notch scientists saying that we should not. They were behind Sweden’s decision not to, and they were publishing from top institutions. The Great Barrington Declaration was the most notable.

I see a lot of scientific studies critical of the vaccines, but these are mainly about the petering out of immunity and the side effects. I don’t see serious scholarship attacking the claim that vaccines did not lower hospitalizations and deaths.

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Yes it is

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I might rebut this, but it will take time to sort through your data.

For those that were old or had major issues…it was something to consider.

For everyone else…

The science has determined that the mRNA vaccines were a disaster

If you have had two or more mRNA doses and didn't suffer a COVID infection prior to your first dose your immune system is damaged. You can prove that by testing Your Immunoglobulin Gamma antibody subclasses.

I had mine tested. After three Moderna jabs I suffered a class switch with IgG4 elevation. There are no immediate symptoms apparent from IgG4 elevation. My two big worries are the possibilities of IgG4 Related Disease and cancer vulnerability.

Ironically, people who suffered a COVID infection before taking any mRNA were protected from the IgG antibody class switch. People like me who took mRNA prior to infection were protected from nothing and our immune systems were damaged.

IGg4 Related Disease After mRNA Vaccination

herd immunity was the best plan, but too passive for the covid freakers....so they pushed the shot for immediate mental relief.

Thanks for posting. Encouraging for those of us not that far behind you on the age curve.