re: What's Your Covid Jab Opinion?

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Here's a double-blind placebo-controlled pertussis trial. You can find these easily by googling.

I don't know why Pfizer and Moderna chose their study designs, but that info is probably out there.

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Thanks for citing that beautifully designed vaccine test from the 1970s. Isn't it telling that you won't be able to find any after the 1986 law shielding vaccine manufacturers from liability?
(I'm willing to be wrong about this, of course...but I doubt it.)

We now have had plenty of time to run double-blind, placebo studies on Covid-19 therapeutics. As a physician, does it bother you that none have been conducted?

My late father was a family medicine doctor. I have great respect for your profession. Sorry if I come across as strident. Like many Americans, my livelihood was destroyed by Covid hysteria.

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So then you are saying the Covid vaccine actually prevented non Covid deaths?

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I'm saying that there are so many ambiguities and subjective calls that it renders these studies useless. How was Covid-19 diagnosed (many flaws there)? Did Covid-19 actually cause the persons death? It's not a double-blind study. For all we know, there was bias in labelling the deaths of the unvaccinated as being Covid-19 deaths when the truth is that MANY causes of death are unknown.

The definition of "unvaccinated" is also problematic. It's been a while since I examined it, but at some point, anyone who died within two weeks (I think) of having received the Covid Jab was listed as "unvaccinated." Thus, people killed by the Covid jabs would have been listed as "unvaccinated."

I wish someone would go back and pull up the threads from that time when so many of us were skeptical, if not out right against them.

It would be interesting to review it and see the responses.

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But if someone comes into the ER during a pandemic with cough, they should be tested for the pandemic respiratory disease and treated for it if they survive their OD, right?

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Was there or was their not a financial incentive to treat for covid?

There is a financial incentive to treat every illness, Flats. It was a pandemic of a novel illness to which none of the global population had immunity and there were excess death spikes everywhere. I think part of the counter-panic has to do with the fact that the number of deaths was large in absolute numbers and yet not enough for many people to know any (or at least not many) who died. We're really bad a probabilities and extrapolating on large scales and understanding weird phenomena like exponential growth. It all seems incongruous between our lived offline experience and the hyper-reality of the pandemic as experienced through media/social-media spectacle and so you get "it was all (or almost all) a hoax".

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Digesting crow right now (reading the study).

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Note that the placebo was not inert.

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Each mL contains 100 µg RBD (active ingredient), 0.60 mg aluminium hydroxide gel, 0.56 mg disodium hydrogen phosphate, 0.62 mg sodium dihydrogen phosphate dihydrate, 8.5 mg sodium chloride and 0.05 mg thiomersal (antimicrobial). Placebo vial had the same excipients, except the RBD.

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Also note the study has a very short follow-up.

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The timing of surveillance for symptomatic COVID-19 participants began at least 14 days after the administration of the third dose (i.e., on day 42) through approximately the first 2 months of follow-up.

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To your OP - the thing that stands out to me is these vaccines may have provided very short term protection against Covid, but at what cost?
From ChatGPT:

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Priming by vaccination, particularly when it focuses on a single viral strain like the Wuhan strain of SARS-CoV-2, can have broader implications for an individual’s overall immune health. While vaccination significantly reduces the risk of severe disease from the targeted virus, it could reduce immune system flexibility and the ability to effectively respond to other pathogens, leading to a potential increase in vulnerability to infections, autoimmune diseases, cancer, and other chronic conditions. The narrowing of the immune system’s focus may also impact immune surveillance, making it less capable of detecting cancer cells or responding to emerging infectious diseases. Further research is needed to fully understand how vaccination-induced immune priming affects long-term immune system function, particularly in relation to overall immune health and protection against diverse threats.

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Were they a "major breakthrough in the fight against COVID-19" or not?

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As an objective person I see two major points:

I think it showed promise that they could create one so effective so quickly for the first variant.

It show a lot of weakness that they couldn't adapt it and it became more and more useless over time.

Maybe MRNA will be useful in fighting cancer as originally hoped, but it ended up being useless against a rapidly evolving virus.

There was never really any discussion about non-MRNA alternatives like

Novavax

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There was never really any discussion about non-MRNA alternatives like

Novavax

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It arrived too late. At that point a general anti vax mood had taken over the country. People weren't even willing to take a traditional one.

President Trump promised to have an approved vaccine by the end of 2020, and he delivered.

The pieces of shits are the ones, both in government and in private sector, who tried to force mandates on students, employees, etc.

Now...if you believe the COVID vaccine is this ultimately evil clot shot that is killing young people with abandon from the side effects, then you probably shouldn't be a fan of Donald Trump.

Overall, even if someone did get the jab early on, there's probably zero reason to be getting all those damn boosters.