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What’s the true end game for all involved?
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:54 am
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:54 am
I’ll preface this by saying I’m not big on politics in general. It’s always been a huge turnoff when I can see beyond the ultra thin veneer of a particular person/person’s personal agenda
Regardless of the side they’re on.
But what’s the end game of the liberal? If it’s Marxism/communism what’s beyond that?
What’s the end game of the conservative?
Is it just a power struggle?
Is it truly just about power?
Is it just about type A personalities trying to be kings of the hill?
I see lots of back and forth on these issues but what do you all truly want?
Do we all just want to have our safe space/ bubble so we can suck our thumbs in it for eternity?
Regardless of the side they’re on.
But what’s the end game of the liberal? If it’s Marxism/communism what’s beyond that?
What’s the end game of the conservative?
Is it just a power struggle?
Is it truly just about power?
Is it just about type A personalities trying to be kings of the hill?
I see lots of back and forth on these issues but what do you all truly want?
Do we all just want to have our safe space/ bubble so we can suck our thumbs in it for eternity?
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Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:57 am to dexy82
Liberals = communism
Conservatives = capitalism
Conservatives = capitalism
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:58 am to dexy82
Power centralized in the government
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:58 am to dexy82
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What’s the end game of the conservative?
Maximum individual liberty and enforced rule of law.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:02 am to VoxDawg
They want POWER. That is all.
We want TRUTH and maybe a little INTEGRITY from them.
We want TRUTH and maybe a little INTEGRITY from them.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:06 am to LookSquirrel
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They want POWER. That is all.
We want TRUTH and maybe a little INTEGRITY from them.
Above anything else
THIS!!!
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:07 am to Thoresten
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Liberals = communism
Conservatives = same as Liberals but slower
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:08 am to dexy82
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Is it truly just about power?
Truly just? Power>wealth.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:08 am to dexy82
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This post was edited on 10/18/21 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:09 am to dexy82
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Is it just a power struggle?
Of course. These people are all friends behind the scenes. Its just a game of trying to convince voters to support one team or the other. Most would jump sides, if expedient.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:17 am to dexy82
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trying to be king of the hill.
People like Gates, Bezos and many in congress have an issue with their hunter-gatherer instinct in overdrive. They can never amass enough wealth or power. Its actually a primal part of their brain driving that. Some have it more than others and some are actually sick with it (Bezos). I read that in some medical literature diagnosing psychiatric disorders.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:20 am to dexy82
Everyone is just trying to enjoy their time here in the simulation.
This post was edited on 5/14/21 at 11:21 am
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:23 am to VoxDawg
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Maximum individual liberty and FAIR and EQUAL enforced rule of law.
You had it mostly right, but needed adjustment.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:28 am to dexy82
The goal of the politician is to get elected. To that end they must appeal to one of two human tendencies. One is left and one is right.
The human tendencies can be simplified like this:
The Dem voter is motivated by equality and fairness. People aren't equal or fair so only a powerful centralized govt can dictate rules to create social justice.
That kind of power always leads to tyranny but the leftist doesn't understand history. This time tyranny will be for goodness.
The GOP voter is motivated by freedom because it is the natural state of humans. That's why humans don't like being in prison. Equality is not achievable because people are not equal. They distrust govt and want to be left alone.
There is no end game. The game has been going on since history was first recorded.
The human tendencies can be simplified like this:
The Dem voter is motivated by equality and fairness. People aren't equal or fair so only a powerful centralized govt can dictate rules to create social justice.
That kind of power always leads to tyranny but the leftist doesn't understand history. This time tyranny will be for goodness.
The GOP voter is motivated by freedom because it is the natural state of humans. That's why humans don't like being in prison. Equality is not achievable because people are not equal. They distrust govt and want to be left alone.
There is no end game. The game has been going on since history was first recorded.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:30 am to dexy82
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what’s the end game of the liberal?
The everyday folks? the sheep who make up 99% of that movement?
To be activists for whatever cause daddy government and mainstream media tells them is important on a minute-to-minute basis.
It’s their way of moralizing their lives and makes them feel like they have purpose... you know, like a religion
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What’s the end game of the conservative?
We just want to be left alone. It’s sad when you think about it, but that’s where we are now.
The vast majority has given up almost all promotion of conservatism and sharing of our ideas in general because of the current Marxists/cancel culture tactics.
It’s why the left has dominated the culture war and the reason we are where we are today.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 12:02 pm to dexy82
Strive toward a utopian society and the extermination of your enemies. That’s the end game for all political ideologies
Posted on 5/14/21 at 12:36 pm to dexy82
Liberals = death.
Conservatives = life.
Conservatives = life.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 12:38 pm to dexy82
It's about money and power.
It's always about money and power.
It's about the Central Banks and the elite controlling the wealth and remaining in power. Trump, for the first time since JFK, threatened that and now we are seeing the backlash from the globalist who have the most to lose if we decentralize.
The Filth is very smart, very well funded and very connected. They control almost everything through bribes, kickbacks and blackmail. They are the most formidable enemy the USA as ever seen.
It's always about money and power.
It's about the Central Banks and the elite controlling the wealth and remaining in power. Trump, for the first time since JFK, threatened that and now we are seeing the backlash from the globalist who have the most to lose if we decentralize.
The Filth is very smart, very well funded and very connected. They control almost everything through bribes, kickbacks and blackmail. They are the most formidable enemy the USA as ever seen.
This post was edited on 5/14/21 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 5/14/21 at 12:46 pm to dexy82
quote:Government control of everything.
But what’s the end game of the liberal?
quote:To slow government control of everything.
What’s the end game of the conservative?
quote:Government controlling less.
I see lots of back and forth on these issues but what do you all truly want?
Posted on 5/14/21 at 12:53 pm to dexy82
98% of those in positions of power want only one thing: More power.
And they will do anything they can do to get it. Partly, that involves this phantom "two sided" country we live in. All politicians are two sides of the same coin, and the only real decision we have as people, is who is slightly less evil, or slightly less power driven.
Don't kid yourselves, outside of your Ben Carsons and Ron Pauls, they all are. Even some of the conservative "superstars."
Use communism/Marxism to get and retain power.
Use conservative values to get and retain power.
Yes. It's about being able to shape the world to your views.
Conservatism is NOT only about power, but it is deployed as such by those in power. Sometimes it has to be, but mostly, it's by design to figure out how to retain that power.
People interpret this as someone "Standing up for what they believe," but that's not how it actually works.
And they will do anything they can do to get it. Partly, that involves this phantom "two sided" country we live in. All politicians are two sides of the same coin, and the only real decision we have as people, is who is slightly less evil, or slightly less power driven.
Don't kid yourselves, outside of your Ben Carsons and Ron Pauls, they all are. Even some of the conservative "superstars."
quote:
But what’s the end game of the liberal? If it’s Marxism/communism what’s beyond that?
Use communism/Marxism to get and retain power.
quote:
What’s the end game of the conservative?
Use conservative values to get and retain power.
quote:
Is it just a power struggle?
Is it truly just about power?
Yes. It's about being able to shape the world to your views.
Conservatism is NOT only about power, but it is deployed as such by those in power. Sometimes it has to be, but mostly, it's by design to figure out how to retain that power.
People interpret this as someone "Standing up for what they believe," but that's not how it actually works.
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