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re: What the hell is wrong in Florida? - The bridge collapse is puzzling on a number of levels
Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:10 pm to stat19
Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:10 pm to stat19
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Bridges kill... must ban them.
And the Dems want us to build bridges, not walls. Why do they always want more people to die through their policies?
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Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:21 pm to Dizz
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So are you saying it is a bad thing that the families of the people crushed to death will be able to sue
Not at all.
The one responsible needs to pay.
I just know that this will devolve into a shitshow where everyone including the driver who delivered parts to the project and the food trucks that feed the construction crews will be sued.
This post was edited on 3/16/18 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:24 pm to TrueTiger
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the food truck that feed the construction crews
Could powerful gas from a bean burrito compromise the bridge's structure?
Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:28 pm to ChineseBandit58
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this just makes no sense to me at all. I am not a structural engineer, but it just seems to fly in the face of everything I do know.
totally 100% agree with you
but then its florida so .... there is your answer
Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:29 pm to PsychTiger
Hey if they can find an expert witness that will say it, some lawyer will give it a shot.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:31 pm to NYNolaguy1
this is correct.
Most high rise using this method of slab building requires support till after cables are pulled and time for cure.
No supports prior is a huge error in judgement.
Most high rise using this method of slab building requires support till after cables are pulled and time for cure.
No supports prior is a huge error in judgement.
This post was edited on 3/16/18 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:35 pm to ChineseBandit58
Puzzling that they wouldn't immediately put the center support under it before allowing people to cross over it or go under it. The support is part of the bridge design.
Honestly the additional weight of a few hundred people when it would be used heavily later is not that significant when compared to the weight of the bridge itself. This thing should have been engineered to hold a lot more weight than the theoretical full capacity when used. There is usually a large safety factor.
Shocking that they would install it and then not put in a center support that was part of the design prior to letting anyone use it.
Honestly the additional weight of a few hundred people when it would be used heavily later is not that significant when compared to the weight of the bridge itself. This thing should have been engineered to hold a lot more weight than the theoretical full capacity when used. There is usually a large safety factor.
Shocking that they would install it and then not put in a center support that was part of the design prior to letting anyone use it.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:38 pm to TrueTiger
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Hey if they can find an expert witness that will say it, some lawyer will give it a shot.
Would be interesting to see how that expert witness passes Daubert.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:11 pm to ChineseBandit58
the good news is that trump eliminating every regulation he sees will surely make this kind of thing safer
Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:26 pm to ChineseBandit58
Any of the Q posts about bridges look like they might tie in here? Just out of curiosity.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:56 pm to Tridentds
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Puzzling that they wouldn't immediately put the center support under it before allowing people to cross over it or go under it. The support is part of the bridge design.
Honestly the additional weight of a few hundred people when it would be used heavily later is not that significant when compared to the weight of the bridge itself. This thing should have been engineered to hold a lot more weight than the theoretical full capacity when used. There is usually a large safety factor.
Shocking that they would install it and then not put in a center support that was part of the design prior to letting anyone use it.
Been away from the internet since before noon - Thanks to all the good responses. I have nothing more to add that has not already been stated.
The above is pretty much in line with my final thinking on the subject.
I think the whole process was ill-planned - or extremely incompetently executed.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 3:04 pm to ChineseBandit58
In the awarding of the contract the politicians caved in to diversity and political correctness instead of competence. The result? Six people are dead. Lawsuits out the whazoo to follow.
This post was edited on 3/16/18 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 3/16/18 at 4:04 pm to ChineseBandit58
If they are tightening the cables... tension or whatever... why not close the road underneath the bridge while that is happening?
When they rebuilt the Wisner Overpass going over I-10, whenever they would put a big overhead piece into place, they would close the interstate, either all night or all weekend. I have no idea what they were doing up there once the span was in (understanding this is a completely different design)
But to me, who is not an engineer, it seems something of that level would suggest a closure of the road underneath.
When they rebuilt the Wisner Overpass going over I-10, whenever they would put a big overhead piece into place, they would close the interstate, either all night or all weekend. I have no idea what they were doing up there once the span was in (understanding this is a completely different design)
But to me, who is not an engineer, it seems something of that level would suggest a closure of the road underneath.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 4:23 pm to thejudge
Cheap Chinese steel
Posted on 3/16/18 at 4:38 pm to GeorgePaton
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In the awarding of the contract the politicians caved in to diversity and political correctness instead of competence.
I'm betting there was some sort of 'good-ol-boy' networking going on there. This sounds like a culmination of poor judgement, flawed inspections, and cheap materials.
Was this contract a state award or a county/city award. If it was locally controlled, I am confident that the best plan/company was not selected.
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