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re: What single-payer healthcare looks like
Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:57 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:57 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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It is propped up by the U.S. health-care industry next door, which provides a parallel private system for very sick and very rich Canadians while acting as the driving force for global medical innovation.
This cannot be stated enough. The majority of cutting edge medical research, technology and innovation comes from profit-based companies. The rest of the world yields the fruit of our private sector's output.
If/when we go to single-payer, you can kiss all that goodbye. There will ZERO incentive for medical professionals to conduct costly research and development.
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:59 pm to ClientNumber9
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The majority of cutting edge medical research, technology and innovation comes from profit-based companies. The rest of the world yields the fruit of our private sector's output.
Exactly.
When you hear about people going abroad for medical tourism, guess what equipment/technology is being used...it's technology that US hospitals have sold off because it's obsolete.
Without the US healthcare establishment's innovation, people would still be dying of appendicitis.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:05 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Your head is not a link.
Please provide one so you are not labeled as a complete liar.
Please provide one so you are not labeled as a complete liar.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:10 pm to TGFN57
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Your head is not a link.
Please provide one so you are not labeled as a complete liar.
I have a feeling that no matter how much proof I provide, you will claim it isn't enough, because you're pro socialist medicine.
Honestly, IDGAF if you believe one word of my OP.
Single payer healthcare horror stories are all over the internet. Seek and ye shall find.
This post was edited on 9/14/17 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:13 pm to NC_Tigah
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Yes, at the VA.
I would love to take every single person on this board who's advocated for socialized medicine and let them spend a year having to go to the VA for treatment.
You'd never hear a fricking peep out of them ever again.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:14 pm to SG_Geaux
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I know a guy that lives in Canada that tore up his knee and had to wait almost 5 months to get an MRI done.
Same
Completely torn shoulder. Had to wear a sling for 7 months before he could get an operation. Guy said he was contemplating suicide by the end of the ordeal.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:16 pm to Eli Goldfinger
"But there's only one person paying so it won't cost me anything."
- Bernie Bros.
- Bernie Bros.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:16 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Ah. so you have no link, only claims you can't back up with facts. Those will be taken for all they are worth.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:16 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Aside from the fact that most of your 'points' are either misrepresentations or flat out lies (either intentional or due to your ignorance), what about the other 10 largest economies?
Because they also have single-payer healthcare. In that case, why are you pointing out the one 'bad' egg when we have 10 good ones? Seems disingenuous..almost as if you knew you were wrong.
Huh.
Because they also have single-payer healthcare. In that case, why are you pointing out the one 'bad' egg when we have 10 good ones? Seems disingenuous..almost as if you knew you were wrong.
Huh.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:20 pm to BamaAtl
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Huh.
Because Canada is the only example of a true single payer.
Other socialist medical schemes involve some combination of 'payers.'
I thought the board's resident healthcare genius would recognize this.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:22 pm to TGFN57
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claims you can't back up with facts.
Ok...we'll assume an internet link equates to fact.
Give me the 1 most glaring falsehood I wrote, and I will provide a link for you.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:24 pm to TGFN57
Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:24 pm to BamaAtl
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BamaAtl
and this thread is done. A lunatic is among us.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:26 pm to BamaAtl
quote:By what clinical comparison?
when we have 10 good ones?
Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:29 pm to Eli Goldfinger
The democrats and idiots wanting single pay purposefully fail to look at Canada's failure; in the same token of democrats failing to see Venezuela's marxist failure.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:39 pm to Eli Goldfinger
But people who normally have no care get access to some care.
If that means rich white people have to sacrifice a little bit of quality to ensure everyone gets equal access then it's worth it for the common good. Healthcare is a right, not a privilege for the privileged.
/sarcasm
If that means rich white people have to sacrifice a little bit of quality to ensure everyone gets equal access then it's worth it for the common good. Healthcare is a right, not a privilege for the privileged.
/sarcasm
Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:41 pm to deltaland
Bravo...
Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:42 pm to Kraut Dawg
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You can play around with different surgeries in all of the provinces in their "Wait Times" website.
I'm sure our website will be incredible.
ObamaCare Website
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The Obama administration has spent roughly $840 million on HealthCare.gov, including more than $150 million just in cost overruns for the version that failed so badly when it launched last year.
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-When the process began in 2011, CMS obligated $56 million for the federally run exchanges, including HealthCare.gov. Those costs swelled to $209 million.
-Costs for the federal data hub, which coordinates records and personal information from several state and federal agencies to help the exchanges process applications, rose from $30 million to $80 million.
-"New and changing requirements drove cost increases during the first year of development, while the complexity of the system and rework resulting from changing CMS decisions added to "¦ costs in the second year," GAO states.
-CMS has paid $12.5 million to CGI Federal, the primary contractor for the site. CMS officials had problems with CGI's work throughout the process, but the agency only withheld about 2 percent of its payments to the company.
-CMS fired CGI in January and signed a new contract with Accenture. That contract has also seen major cost overruns—from an initial obligation of $95 million to more than $175 million.
-Because CMS's oversight of the contract with CGI was so poor, CMS officials inappropriately authorized more than $30 million in expenditures. GAO found 40 separate occasions on which work was approved incorrectly.
-"CMS launched HealthCare.gov without verification that it met performance requirements," GAO said, because the agency pushed back reviews of the site's performance to just weeks before the Oct. 1 launch.
You can tell by how accurately the projected website launch costs, and how well organized its implementation was, that the less complicated actual big gov health care plans projections and implementation will likely be even more spot on and efficient when we go to single payer
This post was edited on 9/14/17 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:52 pm to BamaAtl
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BamaAtl
You are almost criminally stupid...what Koolaid are you drinking because it makes you numb to reality. I work in healthcare and have had numerous conversations with Canadian, English, Spanish and Italian physicians. Not once have they said their system matches the US system. Everyone of them said they would not only prefer to work in the US but if they had to have surgery they would prefer to have it in a US facility....why do you think that is?
Posted on 9/14/17 at 4:03 pm to BamaAtl
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In that case, why are you pointing out the one 'bad' egg when we have 10 good ones?
So Canada is a bad one or is that sarcasm? Do people actually travel to the US from Canada because it's worse here?
I don't know I just know articles can make the criteria whatever suits them when ranking anything.
Forbes
Here's your article with the 10 good ones. Canada is one of them, and according to Forbes it's better than the US.
U.S. News and World Report
^ Yet here is one showing Canadians are seeking Healthcare abroad.
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Contrary to popular belief among Americans, health care is not entirely free for Canadians. Dental, ambulance and many other services as well as prescription medications must be paid for out of pocket
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The Fraser Institute, a Canadian public policy think tank, estimates that 52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014, a 25 percent jump from the roughly 41,838 who sought medical care abroad the previous year.
This post was edited on 9/14/17 at 4:15 pm
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