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re: What makes people more likely to be really into conspiracy theories?

Posted on 12/27/22 at 11:38 am to
Posted by Turbeauxdog
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 11:38 am to
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That of course doesn't mean that 100% of what is reported is fiction


There could be elements of reasonable fact in any article.

But given the abject insanity required to work at one of these lie factories, the facts would be surrounded by so much alternate reality progressive delusion almost certainly each piece in entirety is likely to be fiction.
Posted by TigerDoc
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 11:39 am to
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We should all be like you and wait for the Gubment to tell us what really happened.

That way we're never wrong.


You can definitely be wrong if you adopt consensus positions like the church did about the earth being at the center of the universe and Galileo turned out to be justified in his heresy, but a lot of contrarians try to argue that because authoritative consensus are periodically wrong, that we're generally acting rationally to defy epistemic authorities, but there are always lots of alternative theories that just don't bear out. And we're generally not competent to judge. Galileo was a recognized expert in his field. We're just message-board yahoos. If we want better beliefs, we need tools for judging what epistemic communities generally produce quality knowledge over time and which don't. That's usually the best we can do in the real-world as non-experts.
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 11:46 am
Posted by RuLSU
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 11:39 am to
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What makes people more likely to be really into conspiracy theories?

A complete lack of power and lack of access to those with authority.

I promise y'all, if you met the "powerful" you'd realize how silly all these conspiracy theories are.
Posted by Liberator
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 11:39 am to
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In philosophy of science, there's an idea of whether a body of research is advancing and generating new knowledge or it isn't and is degenerating. By this theory, chemistry is a science because it continues to bear fruit while alchemy isn't because it failed.


Erroneous on both counts.

Context:

"Alchemy" is the simulation (or passable, synthetic fakery) of the real deal or truth. Alchemy is used constantly these day -- whether scientifically OR psychologically (ops).

So called "Authorities" have always been the arbiters of "validation" or approval; These have also almost always been "Institutions" with an agenda.

TRUE "knowledge" and "science" has been corrupted in too many ways to count in recent years. Pseudo-science AND "science-fiction" are indeed presently part & parcel of the "scientific" category.

(If I were to back all of my claims up, they'd no doubt be dismissed as "Conspiracy Theory," "Myth" and "Ill-Informed.")

Believe what you need to believe, Doc. We're all guilty of degrees of cognitive dissonance....BUT none more than those who won't let go of established "Scientific" dogma.

This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 11:41 am
Posted by Liberator
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 11:54 am to
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There's an idea in conspiracy-theory studies about "defectability" that's similar. If your CT doesn't really prove out over a long time, it gets smellier and smellier, like an old cheese that's been left out.

That's what young-earth creationism and flat earth are.


That's exactly what I mean about "cognitive dissonance."

Young Earth Creationism is indeed THE truth -- proven by actual Science.

(Flat Earth as well.)

Both cases comprise part of the greater *actual* conspiracy to conceal truth, THEN bind it into Institutional Dogma, reinforced by Cradle-to-Grave programming and mind-conditioning.

BOTH blow The Pagan-Secular Controllers' narrative to pieces. BOTH reinforce the Biblical Account of Creation, Age of Earth & Universe, Material Limitation of "The Universe," AND importantly -- our Timeline.

HONEST QUESTON:

Btw, can you find a historical source of when & by whom the continent of Antarctica was fully explored and surveyed?

As of 1954, Admiral Richard Byrd -- who explored Antarctica 4 times -- admitted on a Longines TV Show:

“Strangely enough, there is left in the world today, an area as big as the United States, that’s never been seen by a human being. And that’s beyond the pole, on the other side of the South Pole”

Admiral Byrd, 1954 Longines Interview, (RUMBLE)

ETA: Admiral dies of a "heart attack" by 1957. By 1959 ALL nations of Earth agree to restrict ALL incursions and exploration of Antarctica ( technically beyond 60 degrees South latitude) ONLY TO military OR "scientific" entities sanctioned by "proper authoritahs."





RESTRICTED (a LOT of land and resources -- possibly usable. But...the Serfs will never know either way, will they?)





This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 12:03 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 12:11 pm to
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Some portion of the reasoning is NATO.

About 0.5%, maybe.

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This is certainly true.

Any proof? Hell, any evidence?

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If you don't think Trudeau and that broad in New Zealand act out many of the tenets of WEF, idk what to tell you.

Just because policies WEF discusses (most aren't even originating from the WEF) may end up as governmental policy doesn't mean the WEF has any control over governments. Many policies the WEF cited policies are very old and have been implemented well prior to WEF publication.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 12:16 pm to
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. Is it based on who created the theory or who uses it?

Who created it. They're created to influence and they're created to "educate". It's a major distinction, especially in today's media-content climate.

That's why you have so many Patriots in this thread dunking on things that really aren't conspiracy theories, but they believe they are b/c they were called conspiracy theorists by those creating talking points to obfuscate the truth or, more dangerously, any discussions that don't end with the accepted truth.

The Twitter stuff is a perfect example of the this. Creating the idea that understanding Twitter was engaging in extremely partisan "moderation" was a conspiracy theory was created to discredit the ability to even discuss the issue. Patriots didn't create the idea and it wasn't even really a conspiracy theory. It was only labeled this to further control information dissemination.

A lot of the Covid stuff has similar issues. The left had a narrative and used its institutions to disseminate that narrative and to destroy any discussion that may not lead to the conclusion in accordance with the accepted narrative. We know a lot of the accepted narratives were wrong and the "conspiracy theories" were right, and it didn't take a lot of insight or even intelligence to understand this in real time.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 12:18 pm to
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Do you know what sort of people have to continually insist to everybody that they're objective and consistent?


People who are always right in the face of populations who constantly change their beliefs and always believe they are right in real time.

Hence why the "you've changed" narrative makes me laugh so hard.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 12:20 pm to
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Correct. Only a statist would believe it is

Rog, what, and I mean this respectfully, the frick?

The statist narrative is that Russia invaded Ukraine due to NATO expansion, as well as the conspiracy theory narrative

You show me how many outlets you believe are disinformation are promoting what I have argued is the real international organization Russia fears. This isn't in the NYT, brother.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 12:21 pm to
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Young Earth Creationism is indeed THE truth -- proven by actual Science.

NOW it's a party
Posted by Flats
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 12:26 pm to
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People who are always right


Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 12:28 pm to
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That of course doesn't mean that 100% of what is reported is fiction


They should be reporting 100% fact and nothing else.

If you applied the legal credibility standard to the news media they’d have long ago been deemed incredulous.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 12:28 pm to
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The statist narrative is that Russia invaded Ukraine due to NATO expansion,


Wrong. You're way behind in you're pop culture politics. According to the soys you normally trust, that's Russian disinformation since Ukraine wasn't going to be admitted at the time.

Posted by Hayekian serf
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 1:10 pm to
Conspiracies
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 1:13 pm to
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Conspiracy theorists are assured they are smarter than all the sheep that fall for BOGUS MANUFACTURED explanations DESIGNED TO HIDE INEVITABLE LAWLESSNESS AND INHERENT CROOKEDNESS of so many in the USA.



FIFY
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 1:14 pm to
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The statist narrative is that Russia invaded Ukraine due to NATO expansion,


Wrong. You're way behind in you're pop culture politics. According to the soys you normally trust, that's Russian disinformation since Ukraine wasn't going to be admitted at the time.

see lawlessness and crookedness comments
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 1:16 pm to
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SlowFlowPro


I know you are a fan of the folks below. Any thoughts about Randall's latest comments (bolsters the ultraterrestrial model...)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dfPfPB601hw

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Graham Hancock: Aliens, Atlantis & the Apocalypse

Jesse Michels 8.3K Likes 263,525 Views Dec 22 2022

Graham Hancock is an unrelenting journalist uncovering the origins of humanity’s forgotten past. His new docuseries on Netflix is called Ancient Apocalypse and it documents the abundance of evidence that humanity is much older than the prevailing belief among mainstream archeologists. Most people believe civilization was started a mere 6,000 years ago in the Fertile Crescent. Graham explores various archeological sites across the globe that show in fact our civilization is much older than this. In this raw longform interview we discuss the secrets of Atlantis, the ark of the covenant, DMT as a window into the spirit world and of course, UFOs and aliens.


Episode starts with the host asking Randall Carlson if survivors of “Atlantis” are based on earth (underwater) and on the moon. Randall answers yes…

Randall also hinted that revolutionary energy production was going to be open sourced in 2023 while on Rogan (he is supposed to go back on JRE to focus on that content in January)
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 1:18 pm to
Prior context for post above (Tom Delonge "strange" speculation about "Atlantis")

When Tom Delonge first came onto the scene, here is what he was saying. You can also go watch his “weird” interview with Joe Rogan




Below is from a longer thread:

Here is what Delonge said in an interview in 2016:

Gets interesting/weird:
Warning: PDF below



https://projectavalon.net/Linda_Howe_Earthfiles_report_Tom_Delonge_May_2016.pdf

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UAPs and Alien “Gods” 2016
by Linda Moulton Howe

“We are part of a symbiotic relationship with something which disguises itself as an extra-terrestrial invasion so as not to alarm us.” - Terence McKenna, Author, Food of the Gods

“I was told that there are numerous E. T. ‘gods’ fighting amongst themselves and they are interjecting themselves into human affairs. I am being told that a lot of this is being kept secret because we are trying not to initiate a conflict with ‘an adversary that we poorly understand.’” - Tom DeLonge, co-author, Sekret Machines: Chasing Shadows © March 2016, collaborating with 10 U. S. military and intelligence advisers on E. T. facts


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May 28, 2016 Encinitas, California - The United States entered World War II in December 1941, after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. Our other enemy was Germany’s Adolph Hitler and his Nazi Schutzstaffel, also known as the “S.S.,” a paramilitary protection squad for Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, known as the Nazis. Hitler’s stated goal was to annihilate the Jewish population on Earth and take over the planet with an Aryan race of blond, blue-eyed beings referred to as Nordics.


It is further alleged that a sinister Alien Force was behind Hitler and the Nazis and continued insidious infiltrations after World War II when the United States authorized Project PAPERCLIP to bring hundreds of German rocket scientists into U. S. military and aerospace companies. Once an enemy, those German scientists were embraced inside America to create a United States nuclear weapons program and to get America to the moon in a program called Apollo.

Many insights about that historic schizophrenia have been released in the past six months in two books, allegedly with approval by military and intelligence operatives behind the scenes. One book is firsthand non-fiction; the other is fiction-based-on-fact. Both have the same theme: U. S. military intelligence during and after World War II became conscious of a powerful alien presence that emerged from Earth’s oceans and seas, from inside mountains and from the miles-deep ice of Antarctica.




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Tonight I’ll begin about all this with the recent fiction-based-on-fact book and follow in the second half-hour with an engineer insider’s non-fiction. Two months ago in March 2016, a large 675-page book entitled Sekret Machines: Chasing Shadows was released. The co-authors are Tom DeLonge and A. J. Hartley. The word “Sekret” is spelled with a “k” instead of a “c” echoing the “k” added to the word magic long ago for serious communion with other dimensions. Then there is the U. S. government’s changing the “g” in magic to a “j” for TOP SECRET MAJIC classification on UFO and E. T. -related documents. And Russians and Germans insert “k”s in words like A-m-e-r-i-K-a and politiK.


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41-year-old Tom DeLonge was born and raised in San Diego, California, and became the guitarist and co-lead vocalist for the American rock band Blink-182 in the 1990s. Currently he is guitarist and lead vocalist of the rock band Angels & Airwaves. On the dust jacket of his Sekret Machines, Tom writes about UFO, E.T. and “alien gods” after collaboration with a group of ten advisers from military and intelligence agencies. On the book’s dust jacket Tom wrote: “This first novel in our trilogy sets up important events that had their genesis as far back as World War II and continue into the present day. ... I know it seems unbelievable, but it’s all, and always, a true story. That is what fiction is for: to tell the truth.”

One truth, say his advisers, is that the alien presence is an existential risk — meaning, life is not guaranteed for humans — and an extinction event could be triggered by unfriendly aliens to deliberately wipe out Homo sapiens sapiens. So, now is a crucial time for humanity to learn that we are not alone in this universe and that friendly and unfriendly Others have been interacting with this planet for millions of years — some even dominating humans as “alien gods” of Greece, India, the Yucatan, Peru, Mesopotamia, Atlantis and around the world for eons.


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YOUR ADVISORS USE THE TERM ‘THE OTHERS’? Yes. In my communications with certain people within my advisory group, it is referred to as The Others. The Others makes a lot of sense because the first thing that people need to realize about the UFO phenomenon is that it’s an Intelligence that’s here, has always been here. And I think calling them The Others makes a lot more sense because they are in our oceans, they are on our moon, they might be underground in certain places. So, you’re talking about the Other groups of intelligences that are here on the planet with us. AND YOU HAVE ATTRIBUTED ‘OTHERS’ TO GODS WITH A LITTLE G. CAN YOU PLEASE GO INTO THAT NOW? All the different areas of the world have different stories of gods. And I call that the little ‘g.’ These are beings that have god-like powers that are meddling in human affairs, but they are not what God is. The idea of whatever the Big G God that created the universe — whatever Force of Nature that might be — is different. I was told that there are numerous ‘gods’ fighting amongst themselves and they are interjecting themselves into human affairs — that those myths are true. All those ancient stories, those are real. You look at a lot of the studies that you have done, Linda, and what people have followed over the past 30 to 40 years — some people who have worked in these facilities have all talked about ancient hieroglyphics being on these craft. And they look like ancient Greek. I am told that they are ancient Greek, that there is a major connection to the hardware that we have and the ancient Greek Gods.


PS: this all relates to content I posted earlier in this thread (for those that can see the big picture)
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 1:18 pm to
I haven't gotten the time to really watch the last episode but I can comment when I do. I have to re download Spotify
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 1:19 pm to
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see lawlessness and crookedness comments


Yep.

Any valid theory is considered "Russian disinformation" by the Statists.
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