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re: What lies did Trump tell?

Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:14 pm to
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
70181 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:14 pm to
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Ultimately it is a tax on American consumers who get the bill in the end.




I would argue it creates more manufacturing opportunity for americam citizens, thus creating jobs and building an economy. An bigger economy raises wages (which happened under trump) compared with net wage loss under biden
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:16 pm to
quote:

Ultimately it is a tax on American consumers who get the bill in the end.


How much more on daily used goods did we pay under Trump

You clown tards never answer. Its always we paid billions more cause CNN said so
Posted by LSUconvert
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2007
6622 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:23 pm to
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Can you come up with an actual lie


They just listed a bunch of them.

Why they didn't get accomplished is completely irrelevant. He said he would do something, he didn't.

In many cases he didn't ever have the intent to. You will not be convinced with evidence, so just move along.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
12967 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:23 pm to
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China didnt pay tariffs under Trump?


No. As an importer of goods from China, I paid the tariffs and passed those costs on to my customers. How did you think it would work?

As an exporter of goods to China, they didn't pay tariffs. They just stopped buying our goods. They bought soybeans from Brazil, lumber from Europe, etc.

Even when we lowered our prices to make up for the 25%, the Chinese wouldn't buy the material. They were prohibited from doing so by their government.

Trump thought he could win a trade war. Against a centrally planned economy and a totalitarian dictatorship. He didn't know what he was talking about. He lost. And the American Ag commodity producers paid the price.

The trade imbalance with China is worse than ever. Trump's trade war accomplished nothing.
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 1:27 pm
Posted by Sam Quint
Member since Sep 2022
8055 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:25 pm to
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Why they didn't get accomplished is completely irrelevant. He said he would do something, he didn't. In many cases he didn't ever have the intent to. You will not be convinced with evidence, so just move along.

perfect example of what i was talking about in my previous post. unfulfilled campaign promises arent really "lies" unless he 100% did not intend to fulfill them, and since none of us are mind readers, we dont know for sure. that is hardly "evidence" of a lie.

quote:

Why they didn't get accomplished is completely irrelevant

if you're saying they are objective "lies" then the why is ENTIRELY relevant.
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 1:27 pm
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5771 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:26 pm to
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How much more on daily used goods did we pay under Trump


Did China pay tariffs moron?

Or did the companies importing Chinese products pay them?(who in turn passed the price increase unto the American consumer).

This is basic ECON 101.

Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
128052 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:26 pm to
"I'm going to build the wall and have Mexico pay for it"

HE LITERALLY ADMITTED OUT LOUD IN THE PAST MONTH HE WAS LYING



He said flat out he knew there was no legal way to do it but it sounded good

And of course, you all ignored it, too funny.


He also said he was going to prosecute Hillary Clinton and then IMMEDIATELY after winning said he wasn't.
Posted by Sam Quint
Member since Sep 2022
8055 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:28 pm to
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HE LITERALLY ADMITTED OUT LOUD IN THE PAST MONTH HE WAS LYING

what did he say? genuinely asking. i missed it.
Posted by HonoraryCoonass
Member since Jan 2005
19836 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:30 pm to
It’s mind boggling to me how the same people who constantly complained about Trump lying seem to have zero problems with the lies that Biden has said…..lies that have been infinitely more substantial.
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
9405 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:30 pm to
quote:

quote:
2 Weeks to Stop the Spread"

"I'm going to build the Wall and have Mexico pay for it"

"Lock her up!"

"I'm going to Drain the Swamp"



How many of those were blocked by the Republicans in Congress and DOJ?

(Hint: all of them)

Can you come up with an actual lie or just campaign issues blocked by the cucks you have voted for your entire life?


Trump is the one who promised 2 Weeks and when he did he said he knew we would be hit but we needed 2 Weeks to prepare. Then he decided to go buy into the narrative of looking at case numbers and deaths with no plan for how that was going to end until he bought into the "Operation Warp Speed" crap. You can say it was hard because people would have said mean things about him and that's fine but it also shows he let us all down when we needed him most and he did it by violating the trust we put in him to lead and stand up to the Left.

He could have used remittances just like DeSantis plans to for getting Mexico to pay for the Wall. Of course once again people would have said mean things about him and it was hard.

He could have absolutely instructed his DOJ to charge Hillary. Of course once again people would have said mean things about him and it was hard.

He could have done a LOT more to drain the Swamp. He just appointed terrible people around him and never even tried to introduce any Legislation or meaningful reforms to do so. the most he did was cut some regulations and move the Bureau of Land Management to Colorado.

He lied because he either had no intention of doing any of that or he lied because he meant to but saw it was going to be hard so he just blamed it on everyone else why he couldn't do it.
Posted by LSUconvert
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2007
6622 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:31 pm to
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since none of us are mind readers, we dont know for sure


What you're positing here is that no one can identify a liar.

That's probably just a projection on your part.
Posted by blafayette
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2014
722 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:31 pm to
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Posted by Chazreinhold
Utah
Member since Oct 2020
7243 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:32 pm to
He said Hillary Clinton was Beautiful.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
128052 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:32 pm to
He admitted in October that he knew there was no legal mechanism to make them pay for the wall.

He then tried 3 weeks later to say that he actually never said they would.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
128052 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:34 pm to
quote:

It’s mind boggling to me how the same people who constantly complained about Trump lying seem to have zero problems with the lies that Biden has said…..lies that have been infinitely more substantial.



Everyone in here talking about it except convert is a Republican that voted for him twice.

Its alright to be pissed that the dude lied his arse off and knew it.

Its alright be pissed that he just tells the mob what they want to hear and then never, EVER does it.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26945 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:35 pm to
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This is basic ECON 101.


Found the problem.
Posted by DotBling
Member since Oct 2019
3166 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:35 pm to
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I'm going to build the Wall and have Mexico pay for it


The truth is that Mexico ended up building a wall made of their own army. Where is that today? Gone Jack!
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
9041 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:36 pm to
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It’s mind boggling to me how the same people who constantly complained about Trump lying seem to have zero problems with the lies that Biden has said…..lies that have been infinitely more substantial.


We dislike both, arse
Posted by Sam Quint
Member since Sep 2022
8055 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:37 pm to
quote:

What you're positing here is that no one can identify a liar. That's probably just a projection on your part.

that's not what i said at all. people can and do get caught lying all the time. what i'm saying is that regarding a campaign promise, unless he admits it (which in this case, it seems he may have recently?), there is no way to be sure of his intent. probably every politician in the last hundred years has made campaign promises that they know will be very hard if not impossible to fulfill. are they all liars? by your criteria, maybe so. and i might agree. but if so, then why are we stuck on Trump being some kind of anomaly?

also, not sure how accusing me of projection is relevant, but ok.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21871 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:37 pm to
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It’s mind boggling to me how the same people who constantly complained about Trump lying seem to have zero problems with the lies that Biden has said…..lies that have been infinitely more substantial.

Who are you talking about? If it's the board Leftists, yeah - good but obvious point. If you're talking about non-Leftists, which of them have zero problems with Biden's lies?
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