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What is stopping companies from just not complying with vaccine mandates?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 12:14 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 12:14 am
I’m no legal expert but I do know that a mandate isn’t law, and there certainly has to be ways around this if companies really valued their employees didn’t want to lose two thirds of their workforce
I work in a blue collar industry and my employer has already said he won’t be enforcing mandatory vaccines. He’s always been transparent with us and I don’t think he will renege on this promise, but Biden is trying to make life hard for people like him by weaponizing OSHA.
What I’m getting to is when an illegitimate Presidential administration is operating outside the law, how much authority do they actually have if businesses just tell them to frick off? It would put an end to this shite fairly quickly IMO
I work in a blue collar industry and my employer has already said he won’t be enforcing mandatory vaccines. He’s always been transparent with us and I don’t think he will renege on this promise, but Biden is trying to make life hard for people like him by weaponizing OSHA.
What I’m getting to is when an illegitimate Presidential administration is operating outside the law, how much authority do they actually have if businesses just tell them to frick off? It would put an end to this shite fairly quickly IMO
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Posted on 9/14/21 at 12:27 am to TulaneFan
Their plan is to use OSHA and other Gov entities to fine companies who do not comply. Their proposal said $14,000 per infraction per day. So most companies can't swing that kind of burden. It's not that easy to just say frick off for most businesses.
Is it legal? Very doubtful. They have to actually release the "mandate" in order for it to be legally scrutinized. It will be challenged by a whole host of people, organizations, and State DA's and it's very doubtful it can hold up.
The reason they haven't released anything tangible other than the potatoes ramblings is they know it won't hold up. But it will get Afghanistan off the front page and off message boards, and it'll give left leaning companies a pass to push mandates claiming they are getting ahead of the Fed mandate.
Is it legal? Very doubtful. They have to actually release the "mandate" in order for it to be legally scrutinized. It will be challenged by a whole host of people, organizations, and State DA's and it's very doubtful it can hold up.
The reason they haven't released anything tangible other than the potatoes ramblings is they know it won't hold up. But it will get Afghanistan off the front page and off message boards, and it'll give left leaning companies a pass to push mandates claiming they are getting ahead of the Fed mandate.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 12:40 am to Navtiger1
^^ very good post
Posted on 9/14/21 at 4:41 am to TulaneFan
When Biden had the CDC implement the eviction moratorium he admitted it won't hold up in court, it was just to buy time, that came from his own mouth. Even that Demented Senile Dumbass knows this is unconstitutional and it is just a tactic to scare as many people as he can into getting the shot as it goes up the court. If you do not want the shot stick to your guns, make them fire you, put it in writing, and hire a lawyer. Then sue the shite out of your former company for wrongful termination.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 6:07 am to Navtiger1
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Their proposal said $14,000 per infraction per day.
Pretty sure it's not "per day" but it's still ridiculous.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 6:14 am to TulaneFan
Mandating that employers with over 100 employees require vaccines or testing of its employees is a violation of 14th Amendment’s Equal Protection Clause because it doesn’t apply to employees working at companies with 100 or less employees. In addition, exempting USPS workers, members of congress and their staff is also a violation of the clause.
The creation of an OSHA standard to force companies with >100 employees to comply with mandates will define workplace exposure to COVID-19 resulting in illness as a work-related illness and will result in workman’s comp claims and lawsuits.
For a company like Walmart whose employees will be compelled to abide by the mandates, what about the millions of customers that enter Walmart stores each day? Shouldn’t the Walmart employees be afforded the same “protection” from unvaccinated customers entering its stores? By not requiring that customers be vaccinated or have a negative test result, would Walmart not be guilty of creating a “workplace hazard” for its employees?
The creation of an OSHA standard to force companies with >100 employees to comply with mandates will define workplace exposure to COVID-19 resulting in illness as a work-related illness and will result in workman’s comp claims and lawsuits.
For a company like Walmart whose employees will be compelled to abide by the mandates, what about the millions of customers that enter Walmart stores each day? Shouldn’t the Walmart employees be afforded the same “protection” from unvaccinated customers entering its stores? By not requiring that customers be vaccinated or have a negative test result, would Walmart not be guilty of creating a “workplace hazard” for its employees?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 6:35 am to TulaneFan
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What is stopping companies from just not complying with vaccine mandates?
In a nutshell companies will not stand up to the government overreach. It will be up to the workers to stand up to their employers who allow the government to use them in their overreach.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 6:42 am to TulaneFan
An example is Kentucky -
If you have 70% or higher vax rate with your employees you can apply for $$$ from the State for complying.
It's all about $$$ from every angle.
One of the top money grabs in history.
If you have 70% or higher vax rate with your employees you can apply for $$$ from the State for complying.
It's all about $$$ from every angle.
One of the top money grabs in history.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 6:45 am to Navtiger1
They know Covid has peaked and is on the way down.
They issued the mandate so they can take credit in a few months.
They will claim that even though the mandate was never implemented it encouraged the unvaccinated to get vaccinated and drove Covid numbers down.
They issued the mandate so they can take credit in a few months.
They will claim that even though the mandate was never implemented it encouraged the unvaccinated to get vaccinated and drove Covid numbers down.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 6:46 am to Navtiger1
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Their proposal said $14,000 per infraction per day
Sounds like a taking without due process
Posted on 9/14/21 at 7:55 am to TulaneFan
The way they “encouraged” hospitals to do it was push for employees to turn their employers in. They’ve pushed the fear narrative hard enough at a company over 100 employees you’re likely to have at least 1 or 2 who are so bought into it they will turn them in.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:04 am to TulaneFan
Roger Stone
Michael Flynn
Allen Weisselberg
1/6 Protestors
Mark and Patricia McCloskey
Rudy Giuliani
Paul Manafort
George Papadopoulos
Mike Pompeo
All went against the state. All suffered. That's why.
Michael Flynn
Allen Weisselberg
1/6 Protestors
Mark and Patricia McCloskey
Rudy Giuliani
Paul Manafort
George Papadopoulos
Mike Pompeo
All went against the state. All suffered. That's why.
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