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re: What Is Society’s Responsibility When the Foster System Fails?
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:19 am to stout
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:19 am to stout
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I'm curious why she is advocating for better foster care but is not fostering kids herself to lead by example and provide a better model for others to follow.
You don't know what I'm doing and not doing. You'll be relieved to know that no one expects you to do anything for anyone else, at least.
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:22 am to mudshuvl05
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Well obviously the answer you're wanting to hear is we should just kill them all before they're born.
Why even respond if you're going to start with a non sequitur?
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This is rich coming from you, and you're certainly right. Practice what you preach.
Such hostility.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:24 am to 4cubbies
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You don't know what I'm doing and not doing.
So how many kids are you fostering or have fostered?
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:24 am to 4cubbies
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Not long after, he was arrested for armed robbery. That was obviously a terrible decision. He said he felt like he had no options, which I can understand.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:26 am to 4cubbies
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I met a man who grew up in foster care. No stable family, no support, no real guidance. When he aged out of the system at 18, he was completely on his own. Not long after, he was arrested for armed robbery. That was obviously a terrible decision. He said he felt like he had no options, which I can understand.
so armed robbery was an option but getting a job or joining the military wasn't. this is why nobody takes you seriously.
my sister katy was a lot like you when her job to help students to apply for med schol at purdue university. she was completely insulated from reality. then she took a job running a food pantry and believe or not she got a little red pilled. i'm sure she voted for kamala, but she became a little jaded towards the poor and homeless. in that job she had to fund raise a lot, 70% of the job. that meant she had to deal with rich people, she bought an old albertson's grocery store which had a walk in fridge and freezer, she fixed the store, contracted all the work out. she worked with all the institutional food distributors soliciting donations. she learned what sell by was and by what it really was (it's longer the printed date). at first when she would see people begging for food she earnestly go up to them and say "i will take you to a place and give you food come with me" and they always looked at her like she was crazy. she came to the conclusion that these people didn't want food they wanted money to buy drugs. she came to realize that the people she helped through the food pantry were the outcomes of horrendously bad life choices.
she retired recently after 20 years and they named the building after her i told her that i wished our dad could have seen that and how proud i was of her, she replied "don't be too proud of me, the next time someone makes a big donation, they'll name the building after them it's a non profit that's how they roll".
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:27 am to 4cubbies
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He said he felt like he had no options, which I can understand.
If we have a culture that “understands” this, then no program is going to fix the issues you decry.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:29 am to CollegeFBRules
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This is an important point I would like to know more about, please.
The baby died from a brain bleed.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:30 am to 4cubbies
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The baby died from a brain bleed.
Spontaneously? Or resulting from abuse? I'm guessing the latter.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:30 am to moneyg
Yeah, it's pretty funny that a homeless 18 year old with no family or support would rob someone isn't it? Hilarious.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:30 am to 4cubbies
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We talk a lot about personal responsibility, but we also need to talk about institutional responsibility. If foster care is meant to protect and prepare kids for adulthood, and it consistently fails to do so, then what's the fix? And how do we stop another baby from dying the same way?
I think the most realistic answer is what DB_tiger posted:
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People like him should be raised by the state to become a warrior class. It would solve so many problems.
He doesn’t belong on the streets, he belongs on a landing craft invading China
Why? Because reality and what we want the world to be aren't the same thing, have never been the same thing and will never be the same thing.
Why? Because there's far more supply of orphans than there is of the demand from quality folks willing to adopt/foster or work in an orphanage to help raise these children.
That's a hard truth: that there have always been far more orphans than there have been care-givers (segregating those who genuinely care from those who are involved mainly for a paycheck). This hard truth butts up against the desire for something to be done and the ethical knowledge that something should be done. However, you can't force people into being good care-givers any more than you can force them to be more personally responsible. The best you can do is create more public shame in the hopes of lowering the number of orphans eventually, but you still wind up with more supply than demand (Japan, for example, has an estimated 35k-40k "throw away children" even though abandoning your child is considered greatly shamefully).
And if that doesn't work? Raise them to be soldiers.
This post was edited on 7/14/25 at 11:31 am
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:33 am to stout
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So how many kids are you fostering or have fostered?
Why do you think this is any of your business? You're asking in an attempt to attack me.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:34 am to 4cubbies
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Fast forward a few years. He has a baby with his girlfriend that he met at the shelter he stayed in after aging out of foster care. Then the girlfriend gets arrested. Now he's alone with a 4-month-old infant, with no one to help. No family, no mentors, no parenting classes, no safety net. Tragically, the baby died while in his care. He's now facing criminal charges again, but the deeper question sticks with me:
My solution is called abortions, but i don't live with some fantasy code of morality handed down from goat farmers.
What's best for society should always be our top priority.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:34 am to 4cubbies
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Yeah, it's pretty funny that a homeless 18 year old with no family or support would rob someone isn't it? Hilarious.
The funny part is you sympathize that he had little choice but to do so.
But do go on... how'd he kill his kid?
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:35 am to Bard
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The best you can do is create more public shame in the hopes of lowering the number of orphans eventually
No one can be shamed into being a decent parent, though.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:36 am to SallysHuman
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The funny part is you sympathize that he had little choice but to do so.
I understand why a homeless teenager would think that's his only option.
If you want to pretend like you have no idea how a homeless teenager would ever consider robbing anyone, you have my blessing.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:37 am to j1897
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My solution is called abortions, but i don't live with some fantasy code of morality handed down from goat farmers. What's best for society should always be our top priority.
Sterilization yes... abortions, no.
Crackhead gives birth high as a kite? Sterilize her.
Man grows up to rob people and kill his own offspring? Sterilize him.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:38 am to AgSGT
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Because of the challenge fostering teenagers is, we've now opted out of taking in teenagers and now have three young kids that still have a chance at life.
We had foster kids when I was growing up and my parents would only foster small children for the same reason.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:39 am to j1897
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What's best for society should always be our top priority.
Society at large doesn't support abortion. When aborting babies is society's top priority.. that's not really a society I'd want to be a part of.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:39 am to 4cubbies
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I understand why a homeless teenager would think that's his only option.
Did he not go to high school? Did he not have access to a McJob? No shelters that help the willing find employment and house and feed you in the process?
How did he kill his kid?
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:41 am to SallysHuman
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Crackhead gives birth high as a kite?
Did you even read the OP? What the frick you do with this kid now?
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