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re: What Is Society’s Responsibility When the Foster System Fails?

Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:23 am to
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
30409 posts
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:23 am to
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Tragically, the baby died while in his care.


How'd that happen? Weird you kinda just brush over this fact.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179409 posts
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:23 am to
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From your anecdotal story, it sounds a whole lot more like personal responsibility was for more at play here. Maybe we actually need to be talking more about personal responsibility.


Yes I can trade an anecdotal story too but it won't fit Cubbies narrative.

My great aunts, uncles, and grandparents all raised foster kids. My mom has told me stories about several of the foster kids who came and went from her house when she was growing up. I know a few of the foster kids (now adults) because they are still around the area and one even comes to our family reunions. None of them wound up in jail for some reason and one is very successful with multiple rental properties.

Cubbies won't highlight stories of the tons of kids who make it through the foster system and end up having a perfectly normal adult life because it doesn't fulfill her middle-aged white woman saviour complex.

Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
119786 posts
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:24 am to
What does “support” mean? Classes on how to be a functioning adult? The government can’t create loving homes.
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
16220 posts
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:24 am to
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What would happen to orphans?


Give one to every Karen that pretends to care.
Posted by Padme
Member since Dec 2020
9284 posts
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:24 am to
No shite, sounds like child neglect. Does a father need instructions from the state on how to take care of his baby? Even animals do that.
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
13783 posts
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:25 am to
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4cubbies


Simple solution is to let churches and Christian households back into the system of helping the vulnerable.

They've been boxed out for their faith- and either have to conform to hedonistic standards in order to be a provider or they stop providing services because they won't renounce their beliefs.

This goes for food, shelter, fostering, adoption services, crisis pregnancy centers and so much more.
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12827 posts
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:26 am to
The government needs to stop trying to keep kids with their dead beat drug addict parents. They keep the kids with the parents so long that nobody wants the kids. These kids would be adopted a lot more if they could go to good homes as babies .
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33946 posts
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:26 am to
We had foster kids when I was growing up. Although we were just short-term housing, not long-term. We never knew what happened to them, because they were only with us for a few weeks or months.

Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59043 posts
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:27 am to
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It's completely run, managed and funded by the government. It's a government program by all known definitions.



Except that the government isn't directly providing any care.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59043 posts
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:27 am to
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We had foster kids when I was growing up. Although we were just short-term housing, not long-term. We never knew what happened to them, because they were only with us for a few weeks or months.



How old were you and what was that like for you? I'm curious.
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
13783 posts
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:27 am to
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My church runs a homeless outreach center. They provide showers, laundry services, meals, electricity to charge devices, etc. 7 days a week. They help with case management and a lot of other things. It's one of the things that attracted me to that parish.


I would assume they are being made to provide these services in a very secular manner. Not all churches are desiring to divorce their faith from their charity.
Posted by dickkellog
little rock
Member since Dec 2024
1834 posts
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:28 am to
he had the perfect family he was raised collectively by the state! by your logic he should have turned out perfect!
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59043 posts
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:28 am to
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Does a father need instructions from the state on how to take care of his baby?


It's safe to say he needed guidance from someone.

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Even animals do that.


Mothers.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
84166 posts
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:29 am to
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Except that the government isn't directly providing any care.

Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179409 posts
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:30 am to
Why aren't you fostering?

Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33946 posts
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:30 am to
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Except that the government isn't directly providing any care.


People paid by the government are providing care, which is the government providing care. These people follow rules and regulations set by the government.

This is, by all definitions, a government program.

If the government stepped aside, the program would basically cease.

Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59043 posts
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:30 am to
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She’s using a failure of the state to argue for MOAR state


Where did I make this argument?
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
84166 posts
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:31 am to
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People paid by the government are providing care, which is the government providing care. These people follow rules and regulations set by the government.
With oversight and direct management by the great Government!
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
26912 posts
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:32 am to
I'll just come out and say it.

Society is fricked.

Progressives tore up too many traditional values. It's not repairable.

Compile markers that signify high rates of criminality and child abuse/neglect and sterilized those individuals.

The alternative is this unfixable cycle of abuse and tragedy.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
84166 posts
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:32 am to
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She’s using a failure of the state to argue for MOAR state


Where did I make this argument?


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Except that the government isn't directly providing any care.
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