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re: What Is Society’s Responsibility When the Foster System Fails?
Posted on 7/14/25 at 2:46 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 7/14/25 at 2:46 pm to 4cubbies
People here don’t give a frick about this as the downvotes indicate because most people don’t understand or care until it impacts them personally. It already does but they just don’t know it.
As Winston Churchill said “Americans never react to anything they overreact to everything”
There was a popular movie in the 50s, I think maybe 40s, that basically painted foster homes as evil child predator clinics and as a result all the large scale foster homes disappeared and we went to the model we have which is a ridiculously expensive disaster.
This is just like the elimination of insane asylums as a result of the movie “what flew over the cockoos nest. We replaced them with nothing, Jail I guess.
As Winston Churchill said “Americans never react to anything they overreact to everything”
There was a popular movie in the 50s, I think maybe 40s, that basically painted foster homes as evil child predator clinics and as a result all the large scale foster homes disappeared and we went to the model we have which is a ridiculously expensive disaster.
This is just like the elimination of insane asylums as a result of the movie “what flew over the cockoos nest. We replaced them with nothing, Jail I guess.
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 2:50 pm to 4cubbies
Same here in Missouri with exceptions, I think that is too high when you consider all the appointments, visitations, court hearings, etc. I just don't see how somebody could handle all of that and at the same time provide a good home life. I think a limit of 2-3 unrelated placements at most. If the kids are siblings most of those appointments are the same for each of them so schedule wise it would be easier to make work
Posted on 7/14/25 at 2:55 pm to TutHillTiger
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There was a popular movie in the 50s, I think maybe 40s, that basically painted foster homes as evil child predator clinics and as a result all the large scale foster homes disappeared and we went to the model we have which is a ridiculously expensive disaster.
Large scale homes still exist, one of the teenagers we took in came from one of them. Based on how he described, I would not wish that hell on anyone. We also have a new faith based large scale community home being built. We are thinking about volunteering there during times in which we don't have any kids placed with us
Posted on 7/14/25 at 2:56 pm to 4cubbies
There are a lot of people who have had horrific childhoods, never had the guidance and care from anyone. And a lot of them make it through and make good decisions and make something of themselves. So I don't think you can always blame it on that.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 3:26 pm to 4cubbies
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What would happen to orphans?
Once someone's child becomes a ward of the state, both "parents" should be made unable to impregnate or become pregnant again and should have their wages (or government benefits) confiscated to pay for said child.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 3:30 pm to GeauxBurrow312
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On the flip, society needs to stop being lenient. Those who have kids they drop on societies plate to take care of need a forced Snip Snip. Otherwise we end up with more abortions and kids set up for failure
But that's eugenics talk and a violation of human rights!!!!!
Completely agree, but that will never happen. Easy for people to say how wrong it is when they are not directly saddled with dealing aftermath.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 3:34 pm to CollegeFBRules
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Caused by what?
her fevered imagination!
Posted on 7/14/25 at 3:36 pm to 4cubbies
I wouldn't have committed armed robbery but I can see how people get to that point, especially now. If it weren't for me and getting a little help, I wouldn't be in my position. Spent months applying to hundreds of jobs on top of debt and a broken down car. Moving to a new state helped me the most but it's hard for a lot of people to just get up and leave.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 3:41 pm to littlebird92
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There are a lot of people who have had horrific childhoods, never had the guidance and care from anyone. And a lot of them make it through and make good decisions and make something of themselves. So I don't think you can always blame it on that.
There's a lot that don't. Take a child that had that upbringing versus one that had the opposite. I know where I'd put my money one which one will do better. Childhood trauma has long lasting implications on how they operate in the world when they become adults.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 4:15 pm to AgSGT
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I think that is too high when you consider all the appointments, visitations, court hearings, etc.
I 100% agree. Especially considering the high needs of many foster kids.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 4:16 pm to 4cubbies
Pull out
Posted on 7/14/25 at 4:19 pm to 4cubbies
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The father said the baby fell off the bed.
That would not cause a brain bleed
Posted on 7/14/25 at 4:26 pm to LRB1967
Right. I suspect the baby was shaken.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 4:27 pm to 4cubbies
quote:People don't always say what they believe. People don't always believe what they say. But people always live what they believe. When I asked you about caring about the unborn babies, you lived what you believe and avoided the question. Had you asked me the same question, I would not have hesitated and stated that I very much care about the unborn child.
No matter how many times I say I'm pro-life
quote:Bull Excrement. You are simply lying here.
Forgive me if I realize stating what I actually believe is a waste of time because you're only interested in whatever fictional narrative you're pushing
Posted on 7/14/25 at 4:30 pm to 4cubbies
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Right. I suspect the baby was shaken.
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What Is Society’s Responsibility..
Please don't try to hold me responsible for generations of frick ups who have only survived and reproduced by the grace of an abundance of social programs which eventually produced an individual who shook his infant to death.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 4:33 pm to RollTide4547
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Had you asked me the same question, I would not have hesitated and stated that I very much care about the unborn child.
If you were accused of advocating for immoral and/or fringe causes as often as I am, you would probably just roll your eyes and move on like I do.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 4:33 pm to Rebel
4cubbies originated as an alt burner account for Chicken to post the dumbest stuff he overheard his wife and her friends saying at brunch.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 4:36 pm to 4cubbies
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I am not shocked when I hear of a mentally ill person or an addict committing a crime.
You didn't include this part in your OP. I asked if he had a drug or mental illness problem, and you didn't reply.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 4:36 pm to Zach
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No. Young people should suffer the consequences of bad decisions. It's how we used to learn to be smarter.
Yeah that’s working out really well
Posted on 7/14/25 at 4:39 pm to Azkiger
quote:Agreed we have lots of people breeding that should never have been born because their parents should died and gotten out of the gene pool.
Please don't try to hold me responsible for generations of frick ups who have only survived and reproduced by the grace of an abundance of social programs which eventually produced an individual who shook his infant to death.
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