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Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:37 pm to Jax-Tiger
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The school has apologized for this and is offering counseling to students who are traumatized by this teacher's opinion.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:38 pm to Centinel
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So now words, words not even heard by women, are to be considered rape?
Are we talking about 'rape' or 'rape culture'? They're different things.
This post was edited on 5/8/17 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:41 pm to TN Bhoy
Locker room talk is generally considered to be along the lines of your average OT NSFW thread.
Are you suggesting wanting to have consensual sex with an attractive woman is part of "rape culture?"
Are you suggesting wanting to have consensual sex with an attractive woman is part of "rape culture?"
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:41 pm to TN Bhoy
Dude, you're entire existence is centered around a church that defended, hid, and ultimately encouraged the rape of children. Sit down.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:42 pm to DrGarth
One thing is for damn certain. When two age appropriate people get drunk and then have sex and the woman can post coitus decide "oh i regret doing that" and the man then faces legal consequences, we are in a fricked up world.
Yes technically a drunk woman can't consent, but that's some bullshite and any fair minded person agrees.
As a father of two mid 20 year old boys I worry about that.
Yes technically a drunk woman can't consent, but that's some bullshite and any fair minded person agrees.
As a father of two mid 20 year old boys I worry about that.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:44 pm to Jax-Tiger
Exactly. Just tell them to carry a knife. If a guy won't take no for an answer, that's what the knife is for.
The problem is that feminists have conflated regret with rape. Does alcohol completely vitiate consent for women? I would say yes, but if the guy is drunk too, then it's a non-starter. There's a huge difference between a drunk guy and girl hitting it off at a party and regretting it the next morning and a guy actively targeting and taking advantage of women who have drunken themselves to belligerency. The biggest problem is that feminists have taken to a "guilty until proven innocent" stance that has turned universities into Kangaroo Courts where men had a one-night stand with a girl who later regretted it are dragged through the mud, bankrupted, and expelled with zero ability to mount a defense. They are often denied the ability to be represented by a lawyer or present evidence on their own behalf, even if that evidence is a text on their phone from the girl herself admitting it was consensual.
What needs to be done is two separate criminal justice from universities (let the police handle it), women should have the right to be believed but men should not be guilty until proven innocent and men should be able to mount a capable defense, being drunk or underage should not be a one-way street (if it voids consent for one, it voids consent for both when the boy is underage too), etc.
For women, they need to make sure that they learn their limits when drinking, not abandon their friends, and look out for one-another. While "slut-shaming" should be frowned upon, women should acknowledge that while there is no moral defense to being a rapist, women can do a lot to mitigate their risks of it happening to them, and should avoid putting themselves in unnecessarily risky situations. It's not ok to assault people, but one should recognize that a white guy wearing a confederate flag t-shirt that says "death to all n&$##@rs!" after dark in a black neighborhood is putting himself at some pretty major risk. Learn to avoid risky situations.
Don't go get plastered by yourself around strangers you don't know. Women should also learn to protect themselves. While women are physiologically weaker than men, on average, it doesn't mean they are defenseless. Guns are the great equalizer, but knives and/or mace and/or some knowledge of basic self defense martial arts works too.
The problem is that feminists have conflated regret with rape. Does alcohol completely vitiate consent for women? I would say yes, but if the guy is drunk too, then it's a non-starter. There's a huge difference between a drunk guy and girl hitting it off at a party and regretting it the next morning and a guy actively targeting and taking advantage of women who have drunken themselves to belligerency. The biggest problem is that feminists have taken to a "guilty until proven innocent" stance that has turned universities into Kangaroo Courts where men had a one-night stand with a girl who later regretted it are dragged through the mud, bankrupted, and expelled with zero ability to mount a defense. They are often denied the ability to be represented by a lawyer or present evidence on their own behalf, even if that evidence is a text on their phone from the girl herself admitting it was consensual.
What needs to be done is two separate criminal justice from universities (let the police handle it), women should have the right to be believed but men should not be guilty until proven innocent and men should be able to mount a capable defense, being drunk or underage should not be a one-way street (if it voids consent for one, it voids consent for both when the boy is underage too), etc.
For women, they need to make sure that they learn their limits when drinking, not abandon their friends, and look out for one-another. While "slut-shaming" should be frowned upon, women should acknowledge that while there is no moral defense to being a rapist, women can do a lot to mitigate their risks of it happening to them, and should avoid putting themselves in unnecessarily risky situations. It's not ok to assault people, but one should recognize that a white guy wearing a confederate flag t-shirt that says "death to all n&$##@rs!" after dark in a black neighborhood is putting himself at some pretty major risk. Learn to avoid risky situations.
Don't go get plastered by yourself around strangers you don't know. Women should also learn to protect themselves. While women are physiologically weaker than men, on average, it doesn't mean they are defenseless. Guns are the great equalizer, but knives and/or mace and/or some knowledge of basic self defense martial arts works too.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:44 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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One thing is for damn certain. When two age appropriate people get drunk and then have sex and the woman can post coitus decide "oh i regret doing that" and the man then faces legal consequences, we are in a fricked up world.
It's a laughable, yet sad, double standard. A woman cannot consent to sex while intoxicated, but a man can?
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:47 pm to Centinel
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It's a laughable, yet sad, double standard. A woman cannot consent to sex while intoxicated, but a man can?
Legally, neither can consent, but only the man is prosecuted for it. The same is generally the case with underage sexual partners. 16 year old boy and girl have consensual sex after school in his truck and are caught by their parents. He could see prison time, she will have zero legal consequences no matter what.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:50 pm to Jax-Tiger
A myth Started by liberals that perpetuates in US universities because that's where this supposed "rape culture" is most prolific.
Who runs/manages most US universities? That's right, the liberals.
Examples of this culture can be seen in the Duke Lacrosse and UVA rape cases which both turned out to be completely fabricated by someone pushing an agenda.
Who runs/manages most US universities? That's right, the liberals.
Examples of this culture can be seen in the Duke Lacrosse and UVA rape cases which both turned out to be completely fabricated by someone pushing an agenda.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:52 pm to kingbob
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Exactly. Just tell them to carry a knife. If a guy won't take no for an answer, that's what the knife is for.
The problem is that feminists have conflated regret with rape. Does alcohol completely vitiate consent for women? I would say yes, but if the guy is drunk too, then it's a non-starter. There's a huge difference between a drunk guy and girl hitting it off at a party and regretting it the next morning and a guy actively targeting and taking advantage of women who have drunken themselves to belligerency. The biggest problem is that feminists have taken to a "guilty until proven innocent" stance that has turned universities into Kangaroo Courts where men had a one-night stand with a girl who later regretted it are dragged through the mud, bankrupted, and expelled with zero ability to mount a defense. They are often denied the ability to be represented by a lawyer or present evidence on their own behalf, even if that evidence is a text on their phone from the girl herself admitting it was consensual.
What needs to be done is two separate criminal justice from universities (let the police handle it), women should have the right to be believed but men should not be guilty until proven innocent and men should be able to mount a capable defense, being drunk or underage should not be a one-way street (if it voids consent for one, it voids consent for both when the boy is underage too), etc.
For women, they need to make sure that they learn their limits when drinking, not abandon their friends, and look out for one-another. While "slut-shaming" should be frowned upon, women should acknowledge that while there is no moral defense to being a rapist, women can do a lot to mitigate their risks of it happening to them, and should avoid putting themselves in unnecessarily risky situations. It's not ok to assault people, but one should recognize that a white guy wearing a confederate flag t-shirt that says "death to all n&$##@rs!" after dark in a black neighborhood is putting himself at some pretty major risk. Learn to avoid risky situations.
Don't go get plastered by yourself around strangers you don't know. Women should also learn to protect themselves. While women are physiologically weaker than men, on average, it doesn't mean they are defenseless. Guns are the great equalizer, but knives and/or mace and/or some knowledge of basic self defense martial arts works too.
Hillary Clinton even said as much in an interview during last years campaign when she answered a question by saying "every woman who claims she was raped deserves to be believed until and unless the evidence proves she is lying"
um no bitch actually every man who is accused of rape deserves to be believed innocent unless and until the evidence proves him guilty.
THAT right there tells you all you need to know about the new feminist movement and rape. I couldn't believe ANY man would vote for her after that statement
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:52 pm to TN Bhoy
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Defending pieces of shite because 'that's how men are' or 'locker room talk'.
It's tough when you get into a "He says, she says" case. Do we just say that we believe the girl every time? I don't think a girl should ever be ashamed for coming forward to lodge a complaint of rape. However, I don't think it's fair for a girl who is upset because he doesn't call her the next day should be able to ruin a young man's life with spurious complaints.
I try to teach my daughters to not put themselves in a position for this to happen. They should never go to a boys room by themselves with nobody else in the vicinity, and be careful with alcohol consumption.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:53 pm to Jax-Tiger
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What is rape culture?
There are men on the planet
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:55 pm to Centinel
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Locker room talk is generally considered to be along the lines of your average OT NSFW thread.
And those threads are, in general, sickening.
Of course, 99.9% of these discussions could be avoided if people actually had a correct view of creation and the human person and tried to actually be adults.
I'd start here.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:56 pm to Jax-Tiger
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It's tough when you get into a "He says, she says" case. Do we just say that we believe the girl every time? I don't think a girl should ever be ashamed for coming forward to lodge a complaint of rape. However, I don't think it's fair for a girl who is upset because he doesn't call her the next day should be able to ruin a young man's life with spurious complaints.
I try to teach my daughters to not put themselves in a position for this to happen. They should never go to a boys room by themselves with nobody else in the vicinity, and be careful with alcohol consumption.
I personally believe a woman who falsely accuses a man of rape should spend the same amount of time in prison that the man would have had he actually raped her.
That would cut the false accusations down to almost nothing. As it is, there are no consequences. The police can PROVE a woman knowingly falsely accused a man of rape and nothing.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:56 pm to TN Bhoy
That's fine if you think it's sickening. Your opinion.
However, answer my question. Is such talk to be considered "rape culture" when in no way, shape, or form are people indicating forcing themselves on the woman?
However, answer my question. Is such talk to be considered "rape culture" when in no way, shape, or form are people indicating forcing themselves on the woman?
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:58 pm to Jax-Tiger
quote:Irrefutable
A teacher here in Portland is under fire, and may well lose his job because he wrote a paper that basically stated that "rape culture" is a theory that is not based in reality
quote:Liberals love science...... not
The school has apologized for this and is offering counseling to students who are traumatized by this teacher's opinion.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:03 pm to Centinel
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However, answer my question. Is such talk to be considered "rape culture" when in no way, shape, or form are people indicating forcing themselves on the woman?
You're conflating two things.
My first post in this thread was about people excusing bad behaviour (sexual assault/harassment/rape/etc.) by bringing up phrases like 'men are just like that' or 'locker room talk'.
If people aren't doing that, while I wouldn't condone it, it's not what I would consider 'rape culture'.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:06 pm to TN Bhoy
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You're conflating two things.
Not really. You're exact first post on this, in response to Jax's original question:
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Defending pieces of shite because 'that's how men are' or 'locker room talk'.
In that context, you are appearing to say any guy who defends "locker room talk" is promoting rape culture.
Is that not the case? If not, what are you saying here?
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:07 pm to Jax-Tiger
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What exactly is, "Rape culture"?
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