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What is more important ideals and customs or results?
Posted on 10/14/26 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 10/14/26 at 12:50 pm
This country was founded on certain ideals: free and fair elections, one man one vote, peaceful transfer of power, checks and balances.
These ideals and customs were put in place to govern a society with a similar culture, faith and priorities.
However, as society, morals, faith and family have decayed, these ideals and customs of "fair play" have allowed immoral and irreligious people to gain power. We have gradually slipped to where we are today.
So my question is this: is it more important to stand on those founding ideals, or by hook or crook reset this country onto its original path, even if that means abandoning (at least temporarily) those founding ideals and customs.
Setting aside allegations of election fraud for a moment for a philosophical discussion. Would you rather have the good guys lose control in a free and fair election, or to take whatever action is needed to ensure that the good guys win?
These ideals and customs were put in place to govern a society with a similar culture, faith and priorities.
However, as society, morals, faith and family have decayed, these ideals and customs of "fair play" have allowed immoral and irreligious people to gain power. We have gradually slipped to where we are today.
So my question is this: is it more important to stand on those founding ideals, or by hook or crook reset this country onto its original path, even if that means abandoning (at least temporarily) those founding ideals and customs.
Setting aside allegations of election fraud for a moment for a philosophical discussion. Would you rather have the good guys lose control in a free and fair election, or to take whatever action is needed to ensure that the good guys win?
Posted on 10/14/26 at 12:56 pm to BrodyDad
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So my question is this: is it more important to stand on those founding ideals, or by hook or crook reset this country onto its original path, even if that means abandoning (at least temporarily) those founding ideals and customs.
Thomas Jefferson wrote that the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. I believe he and the other founding fathers understood that there would (and possibly should) be periods of "reset."
Posted on 10/14/26 at 1:02 pm to BrodyDad
If we had fair and accurate elections, the good guys would win. But...we are very far away from that, so we will have to go another route, unfortunately.
Posted on 10/14/26 at 1:02 pm to TheFonz
When any group bypasses foundational customs to force a specific outcome, they destroy public trust and create permanent instability.
Posted on 10/14/26 at 1:18 pm to Bourbon Bebe
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If we had fair and accurate elections, the good guys would win. But...we are very far away from that, so we will have to go another route, unfortunately.
What do you think is the best way to accomplish this? Making sure that fewer of the bad guys can vote? Challenging results in a favorable court? Simply refusing to yield power to those who are unfit to lead?
Posted on 10/14/26 at 3:37 pm to BrodyDad
Are you in Georgia? If you are, you have a large group of fellow citizens who are working hard to fix elections there. I think the best way to accomplish this is to get more people speaking out. If every state had thousands of people demanding fair and accurate elections, I think we would see some changes. We need numbers and there is a lot that needs to be fixed.
Posted on 10/14/26 at 3:41 pm to Bourbon Bebe
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Are you in Georgia? If you are, you have a large group of fellow citizens who are working hard to fix elections there
"What I want to do is this. I just want to find, uh, 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state."
Posted on 10/14/26 at 4:49 pm to BrodyDad
Who are the good guys and what action is to be taken?
Posted on 10/14/26 at 5:18 pm to Lizardman2
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When any group bypasses foundational customs to force a specific outcome, they destroy public trust and create permanent instability.
well stated
Posted on 10/14/26 at 6:25 pm to BuckI
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Who are the good guys and what action is to be taken?
The fact that you ask that first question means I don't need to discuss the second.
Posted on 10/14/26 at 7:06 pm to BrodyDad
quote:Please discuss both. I'm not going to snap at you. Unless you're ashamed of the answer.
The fact that you ask that first question means I don't need to discuss the second.
Posted on 10/14/26 at 7:11 pm to BrodyDad
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However, as society, morals, faith and family have decayed,
Seems like you're leading with a false premise here
Posted on 10/14/26 at 7:15 pm to Powerman
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Seems like you're leading with a false premise here
seems like a virulent anti-Trumper such as yourself would agree with him, otherwise why support virulent anti-Trumpers such as DSA types and the Muslim in Michigan?
If his premise is false, why the need to support such out of the mainstream kooks? If they aren't out of the mainstream, how is his premise false?
Posted on 10/14/26 at 8:13 pm to Powerman
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Seems like you're leading with a false premise here
You really believe this? I am 56 years old and I absolutely can see a difference in my lifetime.
Posted on 10/14/26 at 8:19 pm to BuckI
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Please discuss both. I'm not going to snap at you. Unless you're ashamed of the answer.
Ok. I will play. The good guys are the ones who are very conservative, Christian, and will uphold the values of family and faith.
I believe that those who do not follow the same path need to be eliminated or greatly minimized in their power to influence this country through the ballot box. Because their worldview is incompatible with the cultural foundations of this country, any vote they make (even legally) is 100% illegitimate. There are things about this country which are worth preserving, but the efforts toward expanded suffrage are not among them.
Posted on 10/14/26 at 9:36 pm to MyMardiGrasHat
Well considering there were hundreds of thousands illegitimate votes, he wasn't asking him to do much work to find 11k of them. Are you retarded or something?
Posted on 10/14/26 at 9:38 pm to BrodyDad
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Would you rather have the good guys lose control in a free and fair election, or to take whatever action is needed to ensure that the good guys win?
If the good guys lose control, it probably wasn’t a free and fair election.
Posted on 10/14/26 at 9:42 pm to soonerinlOUisiana
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If the good guys lose control, it probably wasn’t a free and fair election.
I get what you are saying, but the question I asked presupposes a fair election.
Is having a fair election where you lose better than getting the result the country needs?
Posted on 10/14/26 at 9:54 pm to TheFonz
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Thomas Jefferson wrote that the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. I believe he and the other founding fathers understood that there would (and possibly should) be periods of "reset."
Posted on 10/14/26 at 10:18 pm to Barstools
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Well considering there were hundreds of thousands illegitimate votes
Just bc you say it 30 times a day doesn’t make it true.
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Are you retarded or something?
You are a fragile little man
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