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re: What is going on with Thomas Massie?

Posted on 3/14/25 at 3:51 am to
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 3:51 am to
You guys are playing the wrong game against the wrong opponent.

Submitted a bill for a national right to carry: Massie or Trump?

Said 'take the guns first, due process second': Massie or Trump?

Has a record of pushing for regular order and 12 spending bills with spending reductions: Massie or Trump?

Repeatedly brings attention to and seeks the repeal of massive surveillance tech in cars: Massie or Trump?

Is owned by the Israel lobby: Massie or Trump?

Signed a bill denying the ability to build the wall: Massie or Trump?

Who is pushing for a CR that sustains the Biden/Schumer agenda for the first FY of Trump's term: Massie or Trump?

Who just got a bunch of unsolicited campaign donations from individual constituents after being attacked by the Trump mob, again: Massie or Trump?

The line item veto was ruled unconstitutional but 12 spending bills provides a robust substitute, who advocated for this: Massie or Trump?

A bill was submitted in 2017 to abolish the Dept of Ed, who failed to use his influence to push it through at a time when R's had the House, the Senate, and the WH: Massie or Trump?

After Massie was attacked by Trump in 2020, who sailed to re-election: Massie or Trump?




The opponent is the CR and the dysfunction in DC, not Massie. Stop kicking the can down the road and demand proper order.
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Someone is going to try the "but they can use reconciliation with 50 votes later" tactic - they could do that right now, but they refuse, and we should believe in September they'll do that and magically all of the budget issues will be solved? We need this fixed now. Free Beer Tomorrow is not a strategy or a solution.


This post was edited on 3/14/25 at 4:10 am
Posted by UncleLogger
Freetown
Member since Jan 2008
2964 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 4:16 am to
This bs attack on Massie is all coordinated. Cocaine Mitch is a cadaver at this point. AIPAC & the DC uniparty will not allow Massie to potentially win that seat. They’re hoping shills like Catturd can make up the minds of our lesser informed R’s for them.

In reality, every conservative should call their congressman and chew their arse for not being Thomas Massie.

Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
9994 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 5:01 am to
I live in Massie's district. Everyone here loves Massie, and will vote for him. Most people are also Trump supporters, but are able to see thru this pro wrestling drama. Massie will get support, and no one cares what Catturd or Laura Loomer says.
Posted by Knight of Old
New Hampshire
Member since Jul 2007
11908 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 5:27 am to
What’s going on with Kentucky is more like it…
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
9261 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 5:29 am to
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It’s possible to support somebody and not give a full throated endorsement to everything they do.


That's how Trump supporters feel about Massie. Massie is great, but i can't fully support someone who doesn't accomplish anything.
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
9261 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 5:50 am to
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We would be blessed if we had a GOP filled with Massie's.


But we don't. Sometimes we have to live in reality, and Massie doesn't understand that the squeaky wheel doesn't get the grease, it gets replaced. It's great to stand on principles, we all love virtue, but Massie doesn't know how to get things done. Trump does. It involves negotiating, not telling everyone how right you are and aligning with democrats against everyone else in your party.

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Dont take your anger out on him because he stands true to principal when the party is filled with RINO rats


I'm pretty sure my "anger" is because he's working against the agenda i voted for. Standing on principles is super cool, but if they don't align with mine, then why should I care? Every democrat will tell you they support abortion because of their principles. Should I praise them for being so principled? Should I be in awe of all the trannies standing up for the principles to groom children?

Massie is great for cutting spending. But that's all he is. If you wanted to set up a business website, Massie is the UI developer. He'll make it pretty but the functionality will be lacking. Trump is the full stack developer. He'll make it slightly less pretty, but it connects to a database so it does everything you want. Massie makes the prettiest sites in all the land, but Trump builds the most effective sites that actually generate business.

So praise Massie for being good at what he does, voting no on spending bills. But I'm not going to pretend that Massie knows how to run this country more effectively than Donald Trump.

Do you Massie supporters even reize that without Trump there would be no doge? Desantis, nor Massie would do it. They would cut spending, but they would never investigate waste and fraud. So we would end up with lower government spending, but we would still have fraud to fund democrat NGOs. Trump's approach is better if you care more about effectiveness than appearances.
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
9261 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 6:14 am to
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I guess Jeff Yass


So Desantis is supported by the same guy the TDS crowd accused Trump of selling out to. Interesting.
Posted by Hayekian serf
GA
Member since Dec 2020
3601 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 6:20 am to
Thomas Massie the the best politician we have. And I ever have to pick between Trump and Massie, I’m choosing Massie
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
70622 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 6:22 am to
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It looks like Massie just likes to go against Trump and try and derail his agenda

This is his #1 problem. Massie is living in a pre-2016 world where it's R vs D business as usual. He fails to acknowledge that the veil has been lifted and the American people are waking up to the graft of the ruling political class.

He'd have a lot more support if he'd taken a similar hardline approach to the continuing resolutions during the illegitimate Biden term.

But he didn't.

When people show you who they are, you should believe them.
Posted by 756
Member since Sep 2004
15243 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 6:23 am to
My biggest issue with Massie is he dies on every hill and doesn't understand how to win the war. His lack of pragmatism reveals his wisdom is flawed. He grandstands and offers no path forward.
He has knowledge but doesn't know how to implement.
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5418 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 6:25 am to
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He'd have a lot more support if he'd taken a similar hardline approach to the continuing resolutions during the illegitimate Biden term.



Which CR did Massie vote for?
Posted by cascadia
Georgia
Member since Jan 2014
2303 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 6:27 am to
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He doesn’t help MAGA and is never at any events.


Florida is Ruby Red and oh no he didn’t approve a Trump to replace zomg
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45958 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 6:27 am to
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My biggest issue with Massie is he dies on every hill and doesn't understand how to win the war.


Massie hasn't died once. He will win re-election until he physically dies
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
46907 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 6:30 am to
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
9261 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 6:33 am to
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He supports less spending and small government, policies the Republican party supposedly stands for. Unlike most Republicans though, he actually votes that way.


He also supports illegal immigration through inaction and letting foreign countries take advantage of us in trade. He may save us in government spending, but he still lets our wealth be shipped out of the country. Trump is working to reduce government spending and increase our wealth.

Massie's vote against the wall ultimately let millions of illegals in and led to more spending. So, should I praise him for being principled, or should I accept reality and recognize the results of his vote instead of just his intention?

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Sometimes it's better to be smart than principled with tunnel vision. You need to look at the whole battlefield if you want to be a leader, not just the enemy in front of you. Massie struggles in this regard.
Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
30787 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 6:45 am to
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Agree with you there 100%. I was a big Dave Smith fan about 8 years ago - I used to donate to the Mises Caucus. They were very pro Russia at the onset of the war which irked me (this was before we even sent Ukraine aid), and their stance with Hamas completely made me leave them. Pro Peace is the opposite of cheering on the invaders. You can disagree with funding others defense, but rooting for the aggressor is gross. Especially when the aggressors have anti-American sentiment.



I’m still a fan, I just strongly disagree with him on Israel/Hamas. But I do with Ben Shapiro as well. Both sides are giant assholes. I tend to be a bit more pro-Israel, just because they at least function as a society and have mostly pro-humanity principles. But they’ve violated tons of human rights and moved their borders for decades.

I’ve never taken their side as Pro-Russia. Just realizing that we’ve pushed NATO eastward for 30 years and showed nothing but aggression towards them. I think the first time I heard Smith was him showing the Gideon Rose video where he laughed about how we stole Ukraine from them.
Posted by METAL
Member since Nov 2020
1397 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 6:49 am to
TDS works both ways sometimes. I voted for Trump but sometimes MAGA can’t seem to be objective.
Posted by Sweep Da Leg
Member since Sep 2013
1699 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 6:50 am to
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He splits with most when it comes to Israel. I personally think we need that voice of reason when it comes to Israel. Alot of R Senators feel obligated to Israel for one reason or another and the detractor is a need.


His top donor every cycle since he was first elected is the same Jewish Zionist that’s is best buds with Netanyahu. It’s all smoke and mirrors.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
70622 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 6:52 am to
quote:

Which CR did Massie vote for?


From Grok:

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Congressman Thomas Massie has a well-documented history of opposing continuing resolution (CR) spending bills, particularly those that he believes fail to address fiscal responsibility or increase the federal deficit. However, there are instances during the Biden administration where he has voted in favor of specific CRs, often based on principles such as avoiding government shutdowns or supporting bills with redeeming features aligned with his views. Based on available records and his voting history, here are the continuing resolution spending bills during the Biden administration that Massie is known to have supported:

H.R. 5305 - Extending Government Funding and Delivering Emergency Assistance Act (September 30, 2021)

This bill extended government funding through December 3, 2021, to avoid a government shutdown and provided emergency funding for disaster relief and Afghan resettlement. Massie voted "Yea" on this measure, which passed the House with broad bipartisan support. His vote here deviates from his typical opposition to stopgap measures, possibly due to the inclusion of disaster relief or the short-term nature of the extension.

H.R. 3746 - Fiscal Responsibility Act of 2023 (May 31, 2023)

While primarily known as a debt ceiling bill negotiated between then-Speaker Kevin McCarthy and President Biden, this legislation also included provisions to fund the government and avoid a default. Massie voted "Yes" on this bill, notably during its advancement through the House Rules Committee, where his support was pivotal. He highlighted a provision that would impose a 1% cut to both defense and nondefense spending if all appropriations bills weren’t passed by January 1 of fiscal years 2024 and 2025, aligning with his fiscal conservative stance. The bill passed the House and was signed into law.


Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
American southerner
Member since Nov 2013
43347 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 6:52 am to
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John Barron



Thomas Massie is the best person in Congress


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