What if Woodrow Wilson were never President?

Teddy was a lot of things, but a terrible leader was not one of them. He basically dragged the Navy into the early 20th century. Secured our public lands. Got peace when the Japs were ruining the Russians in the Russo-Jap war. I don't agree with some of his views, but the dude was a real-life baller.

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Lincoln was without question our worst President.

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Only because he never implemented part 2 of his plan

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He wasn't dumb enough to go with, "Kim Jong-un. . . great talks. . . great leader. . . great talks. . . great satisfaction. . ."

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What would you say if Orange man imprisoned journalists and and became a military dictator?

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Teddy would have had us in WW1 in 1915

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If you actually watched the video, this was viewed as a positive considering what waiting to get involved led to...

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Teddy would have had us in WW1 in 1915

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If you actually watched the video, this was viewed as a positive considering what waiting to get involved led to...

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Some interesting discussion in that presentation, but I think they reach the wrong conclusion re an earlier US entry in the Great War.

I have always thought that Germany would have gotten serious about peace negotiations, when looking at a few million new troops in the other side’s trenches, plus associated materiel. But they would have been in a position to get better terms than Versailles, which came to pass after theynwere already “on the ropes.”

From the German perspective, Versailles resulted from negotiating from a position of abject weakness. More of a “peace among equals” in 1916 or so (absent crushing reparations, loss of territory, etc) would definitely have given us a different world over the next 20-30 years, including a likelihood of no European WW2.

Almost certainly no Bolshevik rise to power, also. I think that the video gets this part mostly correct.

Even possible that we see no worldwide Depression in the late ‘20s and through the ‘30s. People tend to forget that it STARTED in Europe and arose in large part from Versailles reparations and their crippling effect on the German economy.

Some say that we still would have gotten a Pacific War with Japan, but I question that. The Pacific positions of the European powers would have been stronger, and I think Japan miay well have been less ... ambitious ... in its territorial fantasies.

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Wilson would be a Republican today! All those southe...on wait, he was from New Jersey?

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Wilson was born and raised in the antebellum South.

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Teddy was a lot of things, but a terrible leader was not one of them

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He was a great leader but a terrible President. He extended the powers of the presidency far beyond what the constitution allows. As a person to read about he's super interesting and badass, I like TR a lot but as a President he was not good for the country. Luckily Taft followed TR and fixed a lot of his mistakes. As for WW1, we were a different country back then and didn't search abroad for monsters to destroy. We should have never entered the great war and WW2 probably never happens.

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As for WW1, we ... should have never entered the great war and WW2 probably never happens.

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I disagree.

If the US had stayed out of the Great War, the result would have been the same... it just would have taken a bit longer. Though both sides were depleted, the Allies simply had a manpowerr advantage that would eventually have prevailed.

If the War had lasted another year or two, Versailles would have been worse. More reparations, more territorial grabs by the Allies. Hitler (or someone like him) would still have arisen.

One thing that hurt Wilson was Congress passed a Bill to loan England a Billion dollars for WWI. It took over 90 years for them to pay it back.

By loaning England money, the Spanish Flu(over 600,000 died), and the cost of WWI it hurt anything he wanted to accomplish. He was a president that couldn’t get anything done because there was no money.

He is considered one the worst President’s because of the progressive legislation he passed, but most the legislation was not funded until after he left office.