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re: What does the uber-powerful Quantum supercomputer mean for bitcoin and crypto security?

Posted on 12/13/24 at 8:42 pm to
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 8:42 pm to
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Google quantum resistant algorithms and post-quantum cryptography.


How bitcoin specifically would adapt was the question.

It was based on a non quantum resistant distributed ledger.
Posted by clamdip
Rocky Mountain High
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 9:29 pm to
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Google quantum resistant algorithms and post-quantum cryptography.

Posted by SpartanSoul
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 9:51 pm to
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How bitcoin specifically would adapt was the question.

It was based on a non quantum resistant distributed ledger.


Quantum computing hasn't been a secret, all of the decent cryptos have plans to move to a quantum resistant algorithm when necessary.

Cryptography is just another version of the sword/shield arms race, as the ability to break an encryption is developed a stronger encryption is developed and the race continues. Quantum computing can break current encryption faster, but it also allows stronger encryption.
Posted by CFDoc
Member since Jan 2013
2191 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 10:09 pm to
Some have already mentioned it but there are problems out there that can be protected even against quantum computers.

I’ve seen a few ideas based on partial differential equations where you can have giant PDE’s all ‘protected’ by coefficients in front of each term.

The coefficients acting like a private key for the RSA algorithm.

The public key being the integrated solution to the PDE.

Without knowing the coefficients, even quantum computers are going to struggle to ‘guess’ the combination of coefficients that integrate to a given solution.

Anyways, the point being, there will be ways to encrypt that are safe from quantum by the time quantum becomes useful.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
18462 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 10:28 pm to
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Do you want to explain how they would?


Change the encryption and hash algorithms to quantum resistant ones (which already exist). NIST has been holding a competition for like 5 years where they are testing a bunch of algorithms submitted to them. They have narrowed it down to just a few and have approved a couple of them already. I am sure Bitcoin will move to them when it makes sense.
Posted by SJB901Tiger
901
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:16 pm to
Got a theory about the UAP/drones….
“Aliens” came about when the world became aware of atomic energy and its use as a weapon. Now this new UAP event kicks off as Google’s Willow is launched. Interesting
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
3178 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:16 pm to
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all of the decent cryptos have plans to move to a quantum resistant algorithm when necessary.


You are avoiding the question, does bitcoin have a plan?

As the first crypto there are a number of core problems with their distribution and encryption.

So what exactly would bitcoin do to update?

Besides 50+1 ing every coin.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
40983 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:20 pm to
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Turn off the electricity and AI becomes harmless

That's what they want you to think, copper top. Take the red pill.

Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
40678 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:26 pm to
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horse shite


It’s not
Posted by SpartanSoul
Member since Aug 2016
1723 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:30 pm to
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You are avoiding the question, does bitcoin have a plan?

As the first crypto there are a number of core problems with their distribution and encryption.

So what exactly would bitcoin do to update?

Besides 50+1 ing every coin.


No, I'm not. Yes, there is a plan, as I stated quantum computing hasn't been a secret. Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency are based off of cryptography which is based off of math. Do you really think the eggheads that came up with this shite don't have a plan? They have been planning for this for years. There are billions of $$$$ involved, do you think MicroStrategy, the ETFs etc. will all just say oh well all of the money is gone?

If you want to know more Google the terms I posted, and you will see the groundwork has been done. Bitcoin is in better hands than the US Dollar is in with the Federal Reserve.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
3178 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:58 pm to
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Google the terms I posted

You act as if it would be easy to explain...

But you can't explain exactly how bitcoin itself would be "quantum proof".

You seem to just be saying trust the smart people...
Posted by APHA
Corpus Christi
Member since Mar 2013
398 posts
Posted on 12/14/24 at 12:13 am to
Sell now so a corporation or government can buy your coins. Sounds like a good plan.
Posted by SpartanSoul
Member since Aug 2016
1723 posts
Posted on 12/14/24 at 12:41 am to
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You act as if it would be easy to explain...

But you can't explain exactly how bitcoin itself would be "quantum proof".

You seem to just be saying trust the smart people...



LOL you are a dense one aren't you. The solutions will make Bitcoin and other cryptography like online banking secure just like current solutions make them safe from current computing power, that is the "simple" version. The full answer is far too complex for a few lines on a message board. If you can't grasp the concept that there are ways to counter quantum crypto breaking, then I don't know what to tell you.

Think of the German Enigma, it was a marvel, then it was cracked. With today's computing power it would be trivial. We have moved on, and better cryptography has been developed. It is a never-ending race between securing and cracking. Quantum computing will speed up the race with AI thrown in for good measure.

Of course, I don't have a total understanding of the math and concepts involved in quantum resistant algorithms. If I did I would be locked in come NSA basement or making bank at an AI firm etc. I have always found cryptography fascinating and have read upon t more than most. I'm comfortable saying that Bitcoin (and other cryptocurrencies) will be safe, when the time comes, and the big money obviously agrees. Educate yourself (and actually read up on the subject and not ask repetitive questions), hide under the bed or do whatever makes you comfortable. Bitcoin is built on trust, all users are trusting that the tech is sound, why would it be any different to trust they (the developers working on the code) have a proper counter to quantum computing?
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
14547 posts
Posted on 12/14/24 at 5:41 am to
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“Aliens” came about when the world became aware of atomic energy and its use as a weapon.


I beg to differ. Historical references are everywhere. Even the Holy Bible often refers to "chariots of fire in the sky".
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
7863 posts
Posted on 12/14/24 at 7:03 am to
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What does the uber-powerful Quantum supercomputer mean for bitcoin and crypto security?


It injects significant counterparty risk into an asset class that claims immunity from such risk
This post was edited on 12/14/24 at 7:15 am
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
51490 posts
Posted on 12/14/24 at 7:12 am to
Got no idea what Quantum servers will mean to the crypto biz but I can almost guarantee at some point in the not too distant future a massive breach/hack of thousands of crypto servers is likely to happen and shite is going to get next level crazy.
Posted by Traffic Circle
Down the Rabbit Hole
Member since Nov 2013
4655 posts
Posted on 12/14/24 at 7:15 am to
It’s like if bitcoin were invented in 1978 and the new versions of Intel’s processors are now coming out. Technology moves fast. Like it or not, the bitcoin technology model is stagnant to when it was invented, and, will look more rudimentary as technology advances.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
35049 posts
Posted on 12/14/24 at 8:11 am to
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That's all we need. Quantum supercomputers with AI.

Humans extinct within a year?
Not sure how many of you use Norton's Password Manager but it will tell you how long a randomly generated PW would take 3 thousand years to hack (just an example). I would imagine a quantum could do it in seconds. Just a guess. So, what are we supposed to do?
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
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Posted on 12/14/24 at 8:11 am to
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This post was edited on 12/14/24 at 8:12 am
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45959 posts
Posted on 12/14/24 at 8:36 am to
Quantum computing allows for quantum encryption. We should expect things to be far more secure in the near future.

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