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re: What do we think RFK will actually do regarding our food?

Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:54 am to
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182064 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:54 am to
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You can never argue the point, because you dont understand it.


What point? The lol emoji you posted?

I mostly ignore you because your arguments are nonsensical or pulled from Google/AI

I post a lot, and have a lot of free time, but you are here 24/7 and often I just don't want to be here for hours on end arguing with you so I make fun of you and move on. Unlike you, I have to step away from here throughout the day to run a few businesses, manage my rentals, trade a few option contracts, etc.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476304 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:56 am to
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You can be anti-leftist and still support some of the values traditionally associated with the left,

That's an interesting gordian knot

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Again, you are thinking in absolutes and you’re just… wrong.

I am anti-leftism, especially leftism that regulates commerce/contract and our individual economic rights.

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No. It’s not.

The irony of using the leftist strategy of redefining words is probably lost on you.

The right is associated with free commerce. The left is associated with regulated commerce. This is a left or right issue.

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And there you go again with your labels.

It's called a joke. It was more a reference than a label.

You sound like a Bernie Bro in this thread.

You even referenced a Nordic Country, which they love to do.

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I can’t stand Bernie.

I bet you Bernie agrees with regulating food like as is being projected ITT.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298489 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:56 am to
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What point?


That y'all have fallen into the Democrat Socialist lair of needy people who require govt approval to survive.

Imagine defending the massive nanny state. Yet here you are.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
97824 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:57 am to
Says the guy living of govy handouts

You are the most progressive kommie poster on here
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298489 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:59 am to
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I post a lot, and have a lot of free time,


And youve turned into a progressive.
Youre in good company, a lot of white liberal women support this ideal.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
10710 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:59 am to
RFKjr will return to real, transparent science

This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 8:00 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298489 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:00 am to
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You are the most progressive kommie poster on here


You couldnt define either word.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182064 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:06 am to
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have a lot more power in this area in terms of Constitutional analysis


Yes if going by state rights. I get your angle here. It does make me conflicted but I also think its unreasonable to think there should be a free for all in many industries. You and I live in the worst state for overreach of Government agencies and license requirements just to conduct business. Its absurd and I think it would be worse without some Federal intervention.

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This eradicates so many of the arguments for those who claim MAGA but have a vestige of economic freedom in their bones. That's the bigger picture.


I personally think there is a fine line and it's not as absolute as you say.

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The argument on Trump decreasing regulation? Gone. This is a very large increase in federal regulation.


Its adding a few more items to the already banned list. Clenbuterol is banned here but allowed in other countries because of side effects which include heart dysfunction. Why would we not want to regulate something potentially life-threatening?

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Petro, energy, healthcare, infrastructure, workplace safety, etc.?


Yes, some regulation is needed in all of those. The issue is that Bureaucrats overregulate to justify their jobs. The DOE is a great example. It was started as an advisory council much like DOGE is and at the end of their use they pushed to be morphed into a full-blown Government agency so they could keep their jobs and it grew into the overreaching monster it is.

I think there is a fine line in proper regulation and that starts with limiting the powers of Bureaucracies. I am not sure if it is achievable without Congress doing its job but what we have now isn't working.

Again, I think it's perfectly reasonable to question what is being put into our food and if in the past some things were allowed because of monetary influence.

This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 8:13 am
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182064 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:07 am to
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That y'all have fallen into the Democrat Socialist lair of needy people who require govt approval to survive.


Rog, don't you get Medicaid to pay for your cancer treatments?

We already know you get money from the Government.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298489 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:08 am to
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Rog, don't you get Medicaid to pay for your cancer treatments?


frick no.

The board gossip should know more about me than this.

Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182064 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:10 am to
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frick no.


But you benefit from Obamacare by having lower premiums offset by high earners like me.

You're welcome.
Posted by ItNeverRains
Offugeaux
Member since Oct 2007
28166 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:10 am to
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Europe is self annihilating, do you want that too?


Because of not having 17 ingredients in French fries?

They are self annihilating due to open borders. What other ideology supports open borders?

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298489 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:11 am to
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Because of not having 17 ingredients in French fries?


No, because of an unwavering trust in government.

This regulatory power you people crave will be used against you

If you havent learned by now,...
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 8:13 am
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:14 am to
What I fail to understand in all this back and forth is it’s being presented as a situation where we currently have a free for all laissez faire system where corporations and individuals are free to do whatever they want, and it’s causing harm.

But that is not the system. We already have the FDA and CDC but they aren’t doing their job, and arguably are doing to opposite of their job and just acting as rubber stamps for a few corporate titans who own them.

This isn’t a leftist takeover of a free and fair market, it’s a correction of steering the existing agencies to do job they were designed to do.

If we want to eliminate the FDA entirely, that’s a different discussion and I wouldn’t necessarily be against that as many positives would come from a true free market to outweigh the negatives, but that’s not what is going on.

Why are people like Roger and SlowFlowPro having a pretend argument about pretend principles that are completely irrelevant?
Posted by ItNeverRains
Offugeaux
Member since Oct 2007
28166 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:15 am to
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No, because of an unwavering trust in government


You left out the last part. Accident I’m sure.

You seem unaware that your ideology requires a bigger nanny state than any other ideology in human history to prosper. Otherwise my clan takes all your shite as we wish.

I know you think you’re John Wick. You aren’t fricking John Wick. No f@ggot libertarian is John Wick. You need big government more than anyone. You’re just too dumb to realize it.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182064 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:17 am to
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We already have the FDA and CDC but they aren’t doing their job, and arguably are doing to opposite of their job and just acting as rubber stamps for a few corporate titans who own them.



This is the way I see it and I think the way RFK sees it which is why he has said they need to remove monetary influence including a 7 year cooling off period from being able to move from the FDA to working for the very companies they regulate.

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This isn’t a leftist takeover of a free and fair market, it’s a correction of steering the existing agencies to do job they were designed to do.


Yes. Reigning in bureaucrats and their influence but that can only be achieved if Congres also does its job.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298489 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:17 am to
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You seem unaware that your ideology requires a bigger nanny state


It does not.

Saving incompetent people requires a nanny state, which is 100% what you people are advocating.

If you dont put forth the effort to take care of yourself, I really dont give a shite if you are fat and unhealthy.

In my world, shitty blood lines die out. The strong survive.
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 8:19 am
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182064 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:18 am to
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Otherwise my clan takes all your shite as we wish.





Full on libertarians are the most unreasonable of all. Complete chaos isn't a lifestyle choice for a civilized society.
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:19 am to
They are being contrarian blowhards arguing about something irrelevant to try to sound smart. They don’t believe in any of this garbage, just the illusion of principles. Libertarians are scum, and I say that as a recovering libertarian.
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
19262 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:24 am to
Take a deep dive into GMO I know people that have some bizarre food issues but can eat the same food in Europe and not have an issue why? What is different?
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