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What did Comey tell President-Elect Trump about the Steele dossier?

Posted on 2/16/18 at 4:02 pm
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 4:02 pm
This column is asking the right questions and it's a damn strong column and its' completely plausible that this is what happened.

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On her way out the White House door and out of her job as national-security adviser, Susan Rice writes an email-to-self. Except it’s not really an email-to-self. It is quite consciously an email for the record.


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January 5 was the day President Obama was presented with the ballyhooed report he had ordered to be rushed to completion by multiple intelligence agencies before his administration ended, “Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections.” The briefing that day was conducted by four intelligence-community leaders: James Comey, Michael Rogers, John Brennan, and James Clapper, directors respectively of the FBI, NSA, CIA, and Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

Just as significant: January 5 was the day before these same intelligence-community leaders would brief President-elect Trump on the same report.


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Also on hand at the January 5 White House briefing were Vice President Joe Biden and Acting Attorney General Sally Yates. According to Rice, immediately after the briefing, President Obama had his two top law-enforcement officials, Yates and Comey, linger for “a brief follow-on conversation” with the administration’s political leadership: Obama, Biden, and Rice.


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The officials in the meeting would need to figure out how the investigation could continue despite the fact that its central focus, Trump, was about to be sworn in as president.


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Let’s think about what was going on at that moment. It had been just a few days since Obama imposed sanctions on Russia. In that connection, the Kremlin’s ambassador to the United States, Sergey Kislyak, had contacted Trump’s designated national-security adviser, Michael Flynn.


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Far more important are the last paragraphs of Rice’s email. She recounted that “President Obama said he wants to be sure that, as we engage with the incoming team, we are mindful to ascertain if there is any reason that we cannot share information fully as it relates to Russia.”

There follows a blacked-out paragraph, clearly redacted because it either is classified or would expose investigative information — no doubt, some of the information that “we cannot share fully.” Rice then closes with Obama’s instruction to Comey to inform Obama “if anything changes in the next few weeks that should affect how we share classified information with the incoming team.”

That is what Rice’s email is really about: not sharing with the incoming Trump administration classified information about the Trump-Russia investigation, such as the basis for seeking a FISA warrant on Carter Page.


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The dilemma was that the Obama administration had placed “the incoming team” — in particular, President-elect Trump — under investigation. Remember, Obama’s law-enforcement agencies believed the Steele dossier. No, the FBI had not been able to corroborate it; but, as former FBI director Comey told Congress, the bureau deemed its author, Christopher Steele, to be a reliable source. Steele, moreover, had collaborated on the project with Nellie Ohr, the wife of Bruce Ohr, Yates’s top aide at the Justice Department. Even if the Justice Department and the FBI could not prove Steele’s allegations, at least not yet, they still believed that Trump was compromised and that the Russians could be blackmailing him.


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Trump’s Very Limited Briefing on the Dossier
We’ve heard the story a million times: After President-elect Trump was briefed by agency leaders on the intelligence community’s Russia report, Comey met privately with Trump to brief him on the Steele dossier.

But is that what happened? I don’t think so. I believe Trump was briefed only on a sliver of the dossier.


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This understanding — that Comey gave Trump only a narrow briefing on the dossier — is consistent with the conversations between Comey and Trump that followed.


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Comey’s description of what he told Trump about the dossier, and what by Trump standards was the president’s remarkably tame reaction. It is completely consistent with the notion that Comey described a single, perverse allegation, and Trump confidently denied it. It is not at all consistent with the combustion that would surely have followed a full and detailed briefing on the dossier.

Imagine what would have happened, what we’d have heard from Trump, if Comey had said something along these lines:


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Since Trump would have the power to shut down the investigation, the trick was to avoid making him feel threatened by it. Therefore, the strategy was to withhold information that illustrated Trump’s centrality to the investigation, assure him that he was not a suspect, and gently admonish him about the need to respect law enforcement’s independence (on pain of being accused of obstruction).


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That is why Comey kept deflecting Trump’s entreaties that Comey tell the public Trump was not suspected of wrongdoing. In reality, Comey did suspect the president of wrongdoing and calculated that, at some point, the FBI would find the proof. The director therefore declined to absolve the president publicly, which eventually cost him his job.

But Comey only gave the private assurances that the president was not “personally under investigation” in order to discourage Trump from interfering in the probe. The real objective of investigating Page and Manafort was to uncover corrupt ties — if there were any — between Russia and Trump. Thus, Trump was always under investigation even if he was not personally targeted for FISA surveillance.
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 4:09 pm to
If the events that played out from the election to the inauguration line up as much as it can with the column above, I can see why President Trump thought it would be ok to allow Comey to stay on as FBI director even there was way too many questions about him at the time.

Too bad it took him months to figure out what was really going on with the Obama admin's spying and that Comey was up to no good and chasing a conspiracy theory using a dossier made up of bullshite and then promptly and righteously fire him.
Posted by starsandstripes
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 4:14 pm to
Comey has always been dirty. He goes back at least 20 years with the Clintons. He's been in charge of, or a gatekeeper of sorts, in pretty much every Clinton scandal investigation, ever. Trump knew he was dirty.

Whatever Trump's rationale was, it wasn't because he thought Comey may be clean.
Posted by texridder
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Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 4:28 pm to
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That is what Rice’s email is really about: not sharing with the incoming Trump administration classified information about the Trump-Russia investigation, such as the basis for seeking a FISA warrant on Carter Page.


No doubt in my mind that guarding information about the FISA warrant was definitely on Rice's mind when she wrote that email on January 5, 2017.

Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 4:50 pm to
This will be gone from the board because it's too accurate and shows Obozo to be the piece of shite we all know he is
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 4:58 pm to
It should be noted that the primary reason Trump is briefed on the dossier is to leak the dossier to the public.
Posted by texridder
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Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 5:04 pm to
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This will be gone from the board because it's too accurate and shows Obozo to be the piece of shite we all know he is
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And because McCarthy wrote this, you believe every word of it is the gospel truth?
Posted by Sentrius
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Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 5:06 pm to
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It should be noted that the primary reason Trump is briefed on the dossier is to leak the dossier to the public.



And here we thought the Clinton administration taking the W keys off the keyboards as the Bush admin was coming in was as bad as it gets.

Obama was and still is truly a gigantic piece of shite for not only allowing but outright sanctioning this un-american witch hunt that violated the 4th amendment rights of a lot of innocent americans. All just to cover their own asses and undermine a political opponent.

Makes watergate look like jaywalking.

Oh and when this witch hunt is finally forced to mercifully end, Trump should fire Rosenstein for appointing a special counsel when there was no provable and confirmable crime implicating the Trump campaign/admin and Sessions for recusing himself when there was no need to.
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 5:11 pm to
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And because McCarthy wrote this, you believe every word of it is the gospel truth?



Accurate? No.

Plausible? frick yes it is.

It's one of the best and most highly educated guess that could be made using common sense and correlating it to the events before and after January 5 and 6th.

Even Trump opponents will concede that the Obama admin had to go pretty far to find a way to keep the investigation going while Trump is POTUS even if that way is extremely unethical and high on insubordination and lies of omission.

McCarthy knows what he's talking about as he used to be a pretty damn good federal prosecutor in the Chicago area.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 5:20 pm to
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Accurate? No.

Plausible? frick yes it is.

I follow him on twitter and read all his articles. This has more hypothetical that most of his stuff.

Sure there is a good amount of truth in this one, but also a good bit of speculation filling in between the facts.
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 5:22 pm to
You think the FBI got crooked incompetent under Comey or under Mueller?
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 5:28 pm to
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Sure there is a good amount of truth in this one, but also a good bit of speculation filling in between the facts.


Would it be really surprising to you if that events in the column turns out to be almost or exactly what happened?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 5:39 pm to
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You think the FBI got crooked incompetent under Comey or under Mueller?


Hoover?
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 5:59 pm to
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Too bad it took him months to figure out what was really going on with the Obama admin's spying and that Comey was up to no good and chasing a conspiracy theory using a dossier made up of bullshite and then promptly and righteously fire him.


I think Trump knew all along and was giving Comey a chance to do the right thing.
Posted by Sentrius
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Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 6:09 pm to
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I think Trump knew all along and was giving Comey a chance to do the right thing.



If that's the case, Trump's good faith and trust was badly and completely misplaced and he got burnt badly.

If Trump fired Comey on day one after the inauguration, there would be no big reveal of a BS investigation of the Trump campaign in a full blown hearing in front of Congress and no public Trump traitor narrative to enable Rosenstein to cuck out and appoint a special counsel after Trump fired Comey.

Still blows my mind that Comey willfully sowed the treasonous Trump narrative in public like that when that was against standard if not required DOJ and FBI practice that calls for acknowledgment of federal investigations only in court while it is proceeding and then public discussion can take place after the case is concluded.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14936 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 8:47 pm to
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Would it be really surprising to you if that events in the column turns out to be almost or exactly what happened?

Looking through his article it would take me hours to go through it to say what I think is true, or doubtful, or likely untrue.

So I thought i would just post a couple of comments.

First, I take issue with the assertion that Comey only briefed Trump on a portion of the Dossier - at least to the point that McC "substantiates" that claim by the fact that when Trump and Comey met later, all Trump wanted to talk about was the pee tape - and therefore was not shown the rest of the dossier.

That is fairly ridiculous. Of course all Trump wanted to talk about was the pee tape. Does McC think that Trump would have been mostly concerned about Flynn's trip to Russia?

Second, the assertion that the FBI was withholding information from Trump and trying to make him think that he should not feel threatened by the investigation is nonsensical.

Trump was days away from being president. McC acts like as president Trump can't get access to the FBi investigation as soon as he is sworn in.

Third, the fact that McC treats Obama's wanting access to the Trump investigation makes Obama a liar in his proclamations that he didn't follow FBI investigations.

There is a huge difference between Obama poking into an FBI ongoing criminal investigation and his following an FBI counterintelligence investigation involving possible Russian election interference.

A president is always briefed on ongoing counter intelligence operations.

My two cents.


Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35374 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:03 pm to
I think Comey mishandled the Hillary investigation, so his firing for that reason (which Trump should have let stand) was justified. That being said, and I know this isn't a popular view here, I still think he tried to do his job with integrity and what he thought was best.

So I think he probably told Trump because he thought it was the right thing to do, just like he thought it was the right thing to do to announce the re-opening of the investigation.

And I don't think Trump was ever a focus of the investigation under Comey, so the parts of the dossier that alleged criminal implications really wouldn't be a cause of concern for Trump himself. And the "peeing" part would be the part Trump would have a issue with then.

So McCarthy's interpretation could be correct, but I think its ridiculous to not consider that maybe Trump didn't have a strong reaction to the rest of it because it didn't implicate him rather than jumping to the conspiracy that is about as unfounded as the dossier itself.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35374 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:12 pm to
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If that's the case, Trump's good faith and trust was badly and completely misplaced and he got burnt badly.
But maybe his trust wasn't misplaced. In fact, I think the only reason Trump got burned badly is because he couldn't resist admitting that he wanted Comey fired because of the investigation. If Rosenstein's official reason stayed as the official reason, then Mueller would never have been appointed and the investigation wouldn't have much to do with Trump at all, besides being affiliated with those who were under investigation. Instead he acted like he was under investigation, and as a result, brought part of the investigation onto himself but more importantly brought the nation's attention onto it.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
19289 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:20 pm to
He did it to hold it over Trump's head a la J. Edgar Hoover. "You really wouldn't want this being made public, Trump, if you know what I mean."
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
38838 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:20 pm to
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, I still think he tried to do his job with integrity and what HE THOUGHT was best.


So, if a Candidate for POTUS is found to be grossly negligent in the most serious of National Security scenarios...that isn't something that should be presented to the Electorate? If J. Comey is that blinded by some sort of 'fairness' psychological complex...then He needs to resign, and let clear-minded leaders do the job. There is no way any of us would step into an airplane with a pilot who made decisions on what 'he thought'...as opposed to honest and rational protocols. He blew it. And it looks like the FBI across the board is doing the same; with blood in the schoolroom for their insanity.

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