re: What are your reasons for believing climate change is "a hoax"

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But how is their basis for belief any different than those who think climate change is a hoax?

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Your two statements were based on the premise that the entire basis for belief is political leanings.

This is a false premise. Hell, I know people ranging from very conservative to flaming liberal who are super anti-GMOs.

Regardless, it was merely another attempt by you to say, "meh, not going to address ANYTHING from people who disagree with me.........just going to say they base their beliefs on politics".

Hence, you've spent pages upon pages being NON-productive and then bitching about non-productivity

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But how is their basis for belief any different than those who think climate change is a hoax

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It is a hoax
CO2 is a very good thing for the climate and us in general. Read the studies coming from astrophysicists. The sun is cooling, we are headed for a global cooling and we need as much CO2 as we can get. When the earth cycles to a cooling period it is not fun to alive. Read some real science and draw your conclusion from that

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The conspiracy is that the liberals think that by taxing and redistributing my wealth, they can change this.

The science really doesn't care what liberals or conservatives want to do about the matter

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My not going along with the taxing and redistributing wealth does not mean that I don't believe that the earth's climate is changing.

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Your two statements were based on the premise that the entire basis for belief is political leanings.

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Sure. To be honest the idea that GMOs are dangerous is a more bipartisan one than the climate change issue.

Climate change denial is much more prominently a right wing political movement. You see very little of it from the left.

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Regardless, it was merely another attempt by you to say, "meh, not going to address ANYTHING from people who disagree with me.........just going to say they base their beliefs on politics".

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Or perhaps it was a pretty decent analogy that you didn't want to confront head on. The logic behind both are eerily similar.

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Sure. To be honest the idea that GMOs are dangerous is a more bipartisan one than the climate change issue.

Climate change denial is much more prominently a right wing political movement. You see very little of it from the left.

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Hmmmm. I read this and wonder.........."Does Pman see how these two sentences make my point? Does Pman see that the 2nd sentence can be read to say the same thing about liberals that he says about conservatives"?

Ya see. Since I think we can BOTH agree that easily 90% of the people who express opinions on climate science possess no personal skill on the subject, the absence of diversity of opinion on it within a given political group is......yep...........probably as much political as anything else. And, your two sentences ILLUSTRATE that point.

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Or perhaps it was a pretty decent analogy that you didn't want to confront head on. The logic behind both are eerily similar.

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See above.

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Climate change denial is much more prominently a right wing political movement

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Scientist are the biggest climate change deniers out there. It is terrible science and anyone that knows anything about science has called it out. What scientific method have they used to get these results

I think this bears repeating until answered.

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Here's a simple question for the OP.

If I studied climate science and got my PhD from a top school in the nation......then, 5 years later, said, "I hypothesize that predictions about Global Warming are incorrect based on XYZ.........I want to study to see if XYZ is right".

What are the odds of me receiving funding from ANY source other than an obviously agenda driven source to check on my hypothesis?

When you answer that honestly, you know the problem.

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See above.

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Do you not agree that they are similar?

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."Does Pman see how these two sentences make my point? Does Pman see that the 2nd sentence can be read to say the same thing about liberals that he says about conservatives"?

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I have a very low opinion of liberals. Even on this matter due to their propensity to amplify the findings of science beyond what they actually are.

My opinion can be best summed up as the following

1. Liberal politicians and journalists(some, not all) amplify the claim that man made climate change is a problem to the point of fear mongering to push political agendas that likely don't solve the issue.

2. Conservative politicians and journalists (some, not all) completely dismiss the idea that humans have any impact on climate change or attenuate it to the point to where it is meaningless and should be ignored.

Since we know political motivations are rarely honest in nature, the answer likely lies somewhere in the middle in this case. And there is a scientific basis to come to that conclusion.

Is that so irrational? Is it not fair to say that political extremists on both ends of the spectrum aren't being honest and that those viewpoints can become myths that are believed by their respective bases? Even to the point where it trickles into more mainstream and moderate voters?

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What are your reasons for believing climate change is "a hoax"

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The hoax, to me, is the man-driven aspect and that is backed up by how incredibly far off all the "predictions" are by the pro-AGW crowd. It's also backed up by that the last Ice Age (LIA) didn't end until 1850. It lasted for ~450 years but for some reason should magically just have warmed all the way back up in around 150?

Looking at the data, aside from the LIA we're at around where we should be on warming up.



No faster, no slower.

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I believe that pollution is very bad for the environment. The fact that smog hovering over out cities has been cleaned up for the most part is a very good thing. I also think it's a good thing that we try to reduce our emissions.

on the other hand, carbon tax credits are crap and nothing more than a redistribution of wealth.

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Both reasonable opinions that don't involve the need for believing in conspiracy theories.