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re: Welp, it's done: the liberals won in the SBC election
Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:10 pm to beebefootballfan
Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:10 pm to beebefootballfan
quote:Maybe, but Rogers’s brand of Arminianism really sucked. His ignorance regarding topics like free grace is still mind blowing.
The problem is we don’t have an Adrian Rogers or Charles Stanley to pull us from the throws of liberalism like we did in the 80’s.
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:14 pm to bayoubengals88
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His ignorance regarding topics like free grace is still mind blowing.
I’m amazed when anyone makes dogmatic statements like this about theological positions that are hotly debated by great men of God who happen to hold opposing views.
In truth, no one really will know all truth until it’s fully revealed to us in the afterlife.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:18 pm to DesScorp
Our pastor went last minute this week because of the weight of this vote. I'm curious to hear his take on the meeting as well as our future (or lack thereof) with the SBC.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:21 pm to Revelator
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I’m amazed when anyone makes dogmatic statements like this about theological positions that are hotly debated by great men of God who happen to hold opposing views.
Don’t be. His understanding of Calvinism was extremely shallow to say the least.
As an expert on Calvinism, that’s a true statement.
I didn’t say what you think I said. Arminianism and Calvinism is and has been hotly contested since 1618. That’s true, but I declared no winner. I merely said that Rogers has (had) little understanding of Calvinism. That’s certain.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:29 pm to squid_hunt
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How long ago historically are we talking, big guy?
Have you ever read the Bible? Repentance for the sins of your fathers is a common thread and goes on for generations.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:33 pm to TK421
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Have you ever read the Bible?
Couple times, yeah.
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Repentance for the sins of your fathers is a common thread and goes on for generations.
Got any examples?
Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:38 pm to DesScorp
It's all good. Just break away and form your own church. It's what Protestants do all the time. 
Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:39 pm to 3nOut
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Are they speaking executive pastors or women’s/youth/children pastors?
This is from the Saddleback press release:
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“Yesterday was a historic night for Saddleback Church in many ways!” the Southern California megachurch’s Facebook page announced on Saturday (May 8). “We ordained our first three women pastors, Liz Puffer, Cynthia Petty, and Katie Edwards!”
The three newly ordained pastors are long-time Saddleback staffers. Petty has worked with children’s ministry and Edwards has been in youth ministry, while Puffer’s Linked-In profile lists her as a “minister” at Saddleback.
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:39 pm to RollTide1987
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It's what Protestants do all the time.
Sure beats killing anybody who disagrees with your church.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:41 pm to squid_hunt
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Sure beats killing anybody who disagrees with your church.
Everyone's done that, bruh, because we are all sinners. You might want to look up the Thirty Years War and a couple of other conflicts that occurred in Europe throughout the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries. That being said, the only reason why the Southern Baptist Church exists today is because it split with the rest of the Baptist Church over the question of slavery.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:42 pm to RollTide1987
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That being said, the only reason why the Southern Baptist Church exists today is because it split with the rest of the Baptist Church over the question of slavery.
And?
Again. Sure beats killing everyone who disagrees with you in Jesus' name.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:45 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Every time a religious issue comes up here there is always the my denomination is right and yours is wrong.
Wrong. The problem is the definition of right and wrong seems to shift with the promoted culture (the culture pushed by powerful media and academic entities and necessarily a culture people have chosen). There's no point in a church existing if the values and beliefs they hold are exactly the same as the irreligious culture.
I don't think this is the problem. I find that people weight sin. "Living in sin", homosexuality, living together without marriage, sex outside of marriage, etc. seem to be such juicy sins and often by holier than thou Christians are thought of as worse sins than lying, cheating on your taxes, putting no other gods before me (football, money, etc.), or coveting they neighbor's wife or property. The thing is, homosexuality is shown outwardly and people know about it. Same with living together. All these other things are absolutely 100% as bad in God's eyes, yet we don't see them because they are hidden away.
Claimed extra deductions on your taxes? Thought sexy thoughts about that scantily clad actress on TV? In God's eyes, that's equal to these "living in sin" ones.
Sin is sin. It's all the same to God. He doesn't rank them the way Christians seem to do.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:48 pm to squid_hunt
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Sure beats killing everyone who disagrees with you in Jesus' name.
And you think only the Catholic Church did this?
Protestants were killing Catholics and each other for centuries after the Protestant Revolt.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:48 pm to LaLadyinTx
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It's all the same to God. He doesn't rank them the way Christians seem to do.
There are multiple passages of the Bible that indicate God does rank sin. Now, everyone who sins is guilty and worthy of death, regardless, but some sins come with a heftier price tag. They're not the ones we would rank worst, in a lot of cases, but sodomy is pretty close to top of the list in God's eyes. Maybe not for the reasons we imagine.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:49 pm to FooManChoo
quote:I've had 3 rabbis as casual friends in my lifetime. Suffice it to say that they have an entirely different take on that. Generally speaking, they have no problem with anything Jesus said, especially in the Synoptic gospels. They pretty much disregard everything Paul said. To them Paul's message and Jesus's message are as different as night and day
but they both preached the same message.
This post was edited on 6/16/21 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:50 pm to RollTide1987
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And you think only the Catholic Church did this?
I mean, if you're going to boast about everybody splitting off from your so called one true church, you should probably admit you have a habit of killing off people who disagree with you wholesale, don't you think?
(And for the record, I do believe in a one true church. I just don't think it answers to Rome.)
Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:50 pm to RollTide1987
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That being said, the only reason why the Southern Baptist Church exists today is because it split with the rest of the Baptist Church over the question of slavery
The specific question was whether Baptists were willing to appoint as missionaries men who owned slaves or not.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:50 pm to squid_hunt
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There are multiple passages of the Bible that indicate God does rank sin.
Such as in the Epistle of James where he clearly states that some sins are greater than others.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:51 pm to squid_hunt
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I mean, if you're going to boast about everybody splitting off from your so called one true church, you should probably admit you have a habit of killing off people who disagree with you wholesale, don't you think?
The difference is my church has an infallible founder with fallible men running it. Your church has a fallible founder with fallible men running it.
This post was edited on 6/16/21 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:54 pm to RollTide1987
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The difference is my church has an infallible founder with fallible men running it. Your church has a fallible founder with fallible men.
Yes, well, thank you for clearing up that we're not part of the same church in Catholics' eyes, because your fallible men running your church like to lie about that.
My church is founded in Jesus Christ. We just didn't waste our time asking Rome's permission to follow the Bible.
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