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re: Wednesday or other SCOTUS experts, is this a trap?

Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:54 am to
Posted by Padme
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:54 am to
I believe in the 2020 fraud and I believe the fraud was at the digital level on the machines. Is that belief not allowed?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:55 am to
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Is that belief not allowed?

Everyone is allowed to look stupid or crazy

*ETA: without any real evidence, at that.
This post was edited on 12/20/23 at 8:56 am
Posted by RCDfan1950
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:56 am to
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They want an extreme reaction. That’s it



So in effect...the Left's strategy/MO is to become tyrannical while subjectively applying unequal justice via corrupt bureaucracy and get an "extreme reaction"? Sounds viable.

The streets of this Nation will be in flames (again) if Trump wins and the Courts will be full of 'demonetized' MAGA 'Insurrectionists' if he don't. We can forget any hope for a political resolution of what is a polar ideological struggle. One Side wins and the other goes away; like the Jewish State v Hamas/Islamism.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:56 am to
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Everyone is allowed to look stupid or crazy


You seem to take advantage of this on an almost hourly basis.
Posted by Padme
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:57 am to
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:57 am to
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*ETA: without any real evidence, at that.


Who needs evidence?

You are on record as supporting corrupt, biased Lawyers and Judges as a means to an end.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:58 am to
Yep.

This autistic fk just yesterday voiced his support for corrupt Prosecutors, Lawyers and Judges.

He's legit insane.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:59 am to
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skinny domino


Wednesday could probably take you in a fist fight. I'd hate to see what she could do to you in a courtroom.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:59 am to
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You are on record as supporting corrupt, biased Lawyers and Judges as a means to an end.

Only in your head, bruv
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:00 am to
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Only in your head, bruv


No, in response to the actions of corrupt Judges and Prosecutors, your response was "Yeah, but is he guilty".

It's in the thread, dickwad.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90617 posts
Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:00 am to
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State issue to vote not one to block voting rights


This. This is similar to SCOTUS and FedGov getting involved with Civil Rights and voting to ensure that minorities aren’t prevented from voting due to discriminatory laws designed to target them.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:00 am to
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Which means this clause could never be used for them if the Presidential impeachment process is the avenue.
False!
If you lead a revolt against the country when Trump is re-elected, and you are found guilty of insurrection, you could be disqualified for office under the 14th A. In fact, if Congress delegated said determination to the Courts (e.g., under auspices that there was not enough time to complete the POTUS Senate trial), the Courts could intercede in the absence of interbranch conflict, even in the case of an impeachable official. But once a Legislative determination, in full Constitutional compliance, has been made, there is no avenue for Judicial override.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:01 am to
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No, in response to the actions of corrupt Judges and Prosecutors, your response was "Yeah, but is he guilty".

Literally not what I said. Again, in your head, bruv.

Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:04 am to
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Via that acquittal, was he deemed qualified to run again?

No
Sorry, chief, but you misspelled the word "yes"
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:05 am to
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If you lead a revolt against the country when Trump is re-elected, and you are found guilty of insurrection, you could be disqualified for office under the 14th A.

You mean the criminal act? That's nothing like the impeachment process.

Why are you referencing a different law/process?

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But once a Legislative determination, in full Constitutional compliance, has been made, there is no avenue for Judicial override.

Again, this only applies to the limited purposes of the impeachment-removal process. Judicial review would be limited within that specific procedure.

The disqualification under the 14A is something completely different.

Any application of this has to be universal, so if you are proposing that the Presidential impeachment-removal process is the avenue to apply the 14A, then we couldn't remove Representatives or Senators (even though the clause specifically lists them). How does this work? Seems absurd.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:05 am to
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But when the decision as to whom to prosecute is based on Political bias, then the case is poison from jumpstreet



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Even if an actual crime occurred that can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt?



This is YOU defending the actions of a corrupt Prosecutor.

It can not be interpreted any other way.

No different than a crooked cop denying a perp's rights then screaming to the Judge "but what if he's actually guilty".....
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:06 am to
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But one cannot really argue whether CO should enforce the Constitutionally mandated qualifications for office.


That's not what's being argued. What's being argued is they are trying to create law from nothing. Trump has been found guilty of nothing related to any insurrection (real or alleged). Their decision blatantly defies the 14th Amendment's Due Process protections.

Their decision falsely tries to cloak itself in Constitutionality while blatantly defies the Constitution.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:07 am to
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This is YOU defending the actions of a corrupt Prosecutor.

No. This is me trying to get NC to give me the definition of lawfare.

Nowhere did I make any positive assertion or claim that Trump was guilty.

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It can not be interpreted any other way.

Maybe to a completely biased person who is too emotional to have this discussion.

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No different than a crooked cop denying a perp's rights then screaming to the Judge "but what if he's actually guilty".

That is "lawfare" too?

Back to the drawing board.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:09 am to
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No. This is me trying to get NC to give me the definition of lawfare.



You're a gdamned liar.

This is you being a bad Cop.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:10 am to
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Trump has been found guilty of nothing related to any insurrection

This isn't exactly true. CO did engage in a process that decided he engaged in insurrection. That isn't really in doubt.

What is in doubt is if this process is sufficient for the 14A (and various associated issues). I doubt the USSC agrees this was sufficient or proper for the determination.
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