re: We should listen when mooslums tell us who they are and their goal!

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Have you read any of the Bible or the Quran?

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Have you got an actual argument to make?

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Like I posted previously, Peter himself commended Paul’s writings and wisdom.

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Again, many scholars view Second Peter as pseudepigraphical.

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Yeah, that's why I am so protective of the 1st amendment. It's the best defense against these things, but we as a people have to uphold it.

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That, we absolutely agree upon. I've been saying that about the constitution as a whole quite a bit lately.

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see the problem as an immigration problem and the fact our leaders are allowing large amounts of people here without any indication they would assimilate or anything else.

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I agree. But. Jihadist Muslims are terrorists. They are tied to terrorist organizations. That, makes them a national security issue along with an immigration issue.

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They are traitors to the American people, and they use the welfare system to bribe and reward them to come here.

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. This I believe, you're talking about our politicians, and the people supporting these, and the illegals from welfare groups. I think that you are spot on, here as well.

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Look at South America, largely Christian but we still do NOT want large amounts of them coming here because their culture is not the same and they need to assimilate if they want to come here. You bring in large numbers of them and they will never assimilate, they will only spread they own culture

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This one I have direct experience with. Tho not Africans. My biological mother is Korean. Has lived in this country for over 50 years. Has Not assimilated. Doesn't speak English worth a darn, can't read English worth a darn, primarily shops Korean markets, primarily associates within the Korean community. 100% No they don't assimilate when in numbers.

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you just attack the religion, you miss over the greater issue.

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With a lot of religions, I could sort of agree. I have issues with a lot of religions, so I'll just leave it at that. But. When a religion brainwashese people into thinking they need to take over the world by way of the sword, and kill any that won't assimilated, it's a very serious threat.

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Like I posted previously, Peter himself commended Paul’s writings and wisdom.

2 Peter 3:
14 ¶ Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless;
15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you,


If Peter had any problems with Paul’s writings, he certainly wouldn’t have praised him in scripture.

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Peter did not write 2 Peter. It's a 2nd century forgery composed around 120 AD to 150 AD.

Peter was killed in 64 AD.

Peter was considered uneducated and ordinary, and yet 2 Peter is written in upper class Hellenistic Greek.

This is also exposed in 2 Peter 3:16 when he cites "the rest of the Scriptures". But when Peter was alive that would have been references to the Old Testament.

It was forged to make Paul appear credible in the Pauline churches.

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I agree. But. Jihadist Muslims are terrorists. They are tied to terrorist organizations. That, makes them a national security issue along with an immigration issue.

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I think the word terrorist is somewhat overused. For example, in the 1980s when Osama was doing those things to Russia, Reagan called them freedom fighters and we backed them financially.

When they do it to us, they are terrorists. But most so-called terrorist attacks aren't really terrorist attacks, they are just attacks on military assets in the middle east. They are attacks, they are acts of war, do not get me wrong. But it's not the same thing as attacking real civilians to bring about fear for political change.

If we go by that same definition, then suddenly the US and Israel become the world's largest supporters of terrorism. Israel especially, their entire country was formed with it. Once the country was formed, they were integrated into the IDF.

But I think there is a difference and the word is overused.

None of them should be allowed here, so I don't disagree with that part. But for the assimilation reason, even if they weren't attacking us.

I didn't respond to the rest because it seems like we are generally in agreement.

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I see where this is going and there is no more need to debate. Basically, you either accept or reject the books of the bible you support and discard the rest. Got it.

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Yes, historical and textual analysis be damned. You either believe it or you don’t.

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I see where this is going and there is no more need to debate.
Basically, you either accept or reject the books of the bible you support and discard the rest. Got it.

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Ok, so what is your evidence that Peter wrote it?

It was a known fake the entire time. Even the guy who translated the bible into Latin noted that many people rejected it for the reasons I mentioned.

It was only accepted specifically for the purpose of trying to pretend there was no rift between Paul and the actual disciples because the Romans were desperate to unite their fractured empire under a centralized state religion.

That centralization is also where and why so many Christian traditions line up with pagan stuff. Christmas and Easter for example or not Jewish holidays. In Rome at that time, December was dominated by Saturnalia, a festival of feasting and gift giving. And the birthday of Sol Invictus(the unconquered Sun God) that was celebrated in the winter solstice. So the church moved Jesus' birthday to the 25th to hijack the sun worship while incorporating pagan sysmbols like the evergreen tree, misletoe and holly.

Easter is the same kind of stuff, but for festivals of spring and fertility. It's where rabbits and eggs comes from.

The Sabbath was moved to "Sun-Day" which was previously a day reserved for Sol Invictus.

And they choose Paul over Jesus because Paul preached submission to the Romans and Satan while Jesus was a threat to those systems and taught people to rebel against them and said they weren't real authorities.