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re: We should listen when mooslums tell us who they are and their goal!
Posted on 8/31/26 at 7:18 am to AlwysATgr
Posted on 8/31/26 at 7:18 am to AlwysATgr
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If someone wanted to fake it in Peter's name (pseudonymously), would they use some obscure name for Peter? The author of 2 Peter is "Simeon" Peter. This Hebraic form is used only one other time in Scripture (Acts 15:14). So those who think 2 Peter is pseudepigraphical would have to account for why this name is used.
Now discuss all the reasons why many believe that it’s pseudepigraphical.
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Posted on 8/31/26 at 7:20 am to Boom33
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I will fight against both; I do not have to choose one or the other.
Good luck.
Posted on 8/31/26 at 7:22 am to Boom33
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Have you got an actual argument to make?
If course. But there’s no point in making it if you have no understanding of the material, nor the desire to.
Posted on 8/31/26 at 7:24 am to Mo Jeaux
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Hmm. Ok. Imagine, the very son of god speaking, and he had a chance to tell the world about the evils of the institution of slavery. And the choice that he made
And imagine if he had spoke out. It would have looked much like the passage we are speaking about. He is asking slave owners specifically, to question their treatment of their slaves. He was very subtle about it, but that is what he was doing. One man, speaking about a time honored tradition of slavery, would not have been around long if he shouted "I hate slavery" from the rooftops.
Posted on 8/31/26 at 7:42 am to Boom33
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Historically I would likely be tortured until I gave a fake confession and then burned to death.
I think I'd take having my head cut off if I had to decide between the 2.
Historically as in hundreds of years before America was even founded. It's a lot harder to take that seriously than modern-day Islam.
Historically back talk would also get you beheaded, but you have no problem with that either
Posted on 8/31/26 at 8:02 am to UtahCajun
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And imagine if he had spoke out. It would have looked much like the passage we are speaking about. He is asking slave owners specifically, to question their treatment of their slaves. He was very subtle about it, but that is what he was doing. One man, speaking about a time honored tradition of slavery, would not have been around long if he shouted "I hate slavery" from the rooftops.
That’s one way of putting it. So, as I mentioned earlier, Jesus seems ok with slavery. He just wants slave owners to be nice to their slaves. 
Posted on 8/31/26 at 8:05 am to UtahCajun
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And imagine if he had spoke out.
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One man, speaking about a time honored tradition of slavery, would not have been around long if he shouted "I hate slavery" from the rooftops.
We're talking about Jesus Christ, right? The man who had a ministry of less than 5 years? The entire point of Jesus was that he was going to say things that would lead to him "not being around long"
Posted on 8/31/26 at 8:09 am to Boom33
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Should I also judge every Christian based on this?
Was his comments a one off, or the norm from all Christians?
Was he advocating violence?
Was he advocating oppression of women?
Or did this talk never happen and are you scrambling to justify the hyperviolence of Islam?
Posted on 8/31/26 at 8:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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The entire point of Jesus was that he was going to say things that would lead to him "not being around long"
That is nowhere close to "the entire point of Jesus", SFP the theologian.
Posted on 8/31/26 at 8:14 am to BugAC
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That is nowhere close to "the entire point of Jesus",
I didn't make the Resurrection the hallmark of the religion, my dude, focusing on suffering of the lower class and teaching martyrdom as a high principle, which was the focus of early Christianity
This post was edited on 8/31/26 at 8:15 am
Posted on 8/31/26 at 8:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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I didn't make the Resurrection the hallmark of the religion, my dude, focusing on suffering of the lower class and teaching martyrdom as a high principle, which was the focus of early Christianity
Not the focus of Christianity at all. Martyrdom was not the focus of Christianity. Are you Christian?
Posted on 8/31/26 at 8:21 am to BugAC
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Not the focus of Christianity at all. Martyrdom was not the focus of Christianity.
You need to do more studying of early Christianity from a historical lens
Christianity spread from an apocalyptic sect/cult to a movement based on suffering of the lower/slave class and the principle of martyrdom, in the face of Roman society. Have you never heard of the quote "The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church" from Tertullian?
This post was edited on 8/31/26 at 8:22 am
Posted on 8/31/26 at 8:22 am to Boom33
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had a Christian last week tell me he wanted to replace the 1st amendment of the constitution with a declaration that Christ is King. Should I also judge every Christian based on this?
I’ll take things that didn’t happen for 1000, Alex
Posted on 8/31/26 at 8:24 am to Mo Jeaux
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That’s one way of putting it. So, as I mentioned earlier, Jesus seems ok with slavery. He just wants slave owners to be nice to their slaves.
As I said, you are having an issue with equivalence.
Not speaking out explicitly =/= supporting.
That is the reasoning of those wanting everyone to be an "ally" and is false reasoning.
Posted on 8/31/26 at 8:24 am to lsusteve1
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I’ll take things that didn’t happen for 1000, Alex
I can't claim to know if that story was real or false, but this very thread has plenty of people arguing we should discard/ignore the 1A
From just page 1:
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States ban any number of things to keep its citizens safe…. Drinking and Driving, Drugs, Prostitution, etc…
Islam is more dangerous than all of those things combined yet lefty politicians invite them in with open arms.
These animals and their religion is not compatible with free thinking people.
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I believe there could be a constitutionally acceptable order banning Islam in the US. Sound crazy I know with freedom of religion but there might be a way.
and this is one of the more mild emotionally-driven Islam threads from NPCs
Posted on 8/31/26 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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We're talking about Jesus Christ, right? The man who had a ministry of less than 5 years? The entire point of Jesus was that he was going to say things that would lead to him "not being around long"
Ok, so if his ministry lasted only 1 single day, it would have accomplished the same thing?
Posted on 8/31/26 at 8:26 am to UtahCajun
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Ok, so if his ministry lasted only 1 single day, it would have accomplished the same thing?
You think his father would permit that?
Jesus saying controversial things that would get him killed was the entire point. Why would slavery change that paradigm?
This post was edited on 8/31/26 at 8:28 am
Posted on 8/31/26 at 8:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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Jesus saying controversial things that would get him killed was the entire point. Why would slavery change that paradigm?
Doulos - English spelling for the Greek word "slave". Jesus did in fact use that word many times. In most instances he referred to himself as a doulos to God. When we see the reference in most of the usage of the word doulos, it is clear that yes, it does mean slave, but not to the extent that the modern word slave means.
Why would Jesus explicitly say anything against doulos when he wanted people to accept God as their master which would mean they would be doulos to God and not to a human master?
But if we, as modern people wish to equate doulos to the term slave that we know today, go ahead. It is not quite right, but you are more than free to do so.
Posted on 8/31/26 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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Christianity spread from an apocalyptic sect/cult to a movement based on suffering of the lower/slave class and the principle of martyrdom, in the face of Roman society. Have you never heard of the quote "The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church" from Tertullian?
Again, not the focus of Christianity. I asked before, are you Christian?
Posted on 8/31/26 at 8:53 am to BugAC
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Again, not the focus of Christianity.
Maybe in your modern lens, but it certainly was for the majority of the original Christians.
Again, a more period-accurate quote on Christianity
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The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church
The "seed" of the church.
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