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re: We see the results of our revolving door of “justice” every day. Meanwhile…
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:12 am to 3nOut
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:12 am to 3nOut
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Seems like people’s rights to live a free and safe existence doesn’t sound as bad under a totalitarian dictator compared to living next to the guy out on bail for the 13th time and murdered somebody.
At least you're being honest with shitting on our Constitution, unlike others ITT
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That sort of thinking is what leads to “and then one day, for no reason whatsoever, the people elected Hitler/Mussolini/Franco.”
This would have been much more of a point in the hellscape that was 1975-1995 America, and not 2025 America when crime is much lower
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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for your motte and bailey fallacy.
I'm not backtracking on anything I said. You can try again if you'd like.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:14 am to JiminyCricket
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I'm not backtracking on anything I said
You're engaging a harder argument (copying El Salvador's policies specifically) by replacing it with a simpler one (undefined, hypothetical options)
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:15 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:You can abuse a populace for a very long time, until you can't. When the justice system is abusing its citizen (not the criminals), there is a price being paid. You see it here with people being fatigued by unlawful behavior not being punished. Don't act like there isn't abuse against law-abiding citizens. If the way our system of government operates effectively abuses its citizens, then something needs to be changed.
AKA, people who respect our rights as Americans
Y'all are wild.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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How is El Salvador doing it financially?
a. Ignoring rights
That’s a financial consideration?
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Many crimes are enhanceable and most states have some form of habitual offender sentencing.
Maybe, but I would argue that the much more common practice is not to enhance criminal charges, but to diminish them by constantly having charges reduced or pled down.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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You're engaging a harder argument (copying El Salvador's policies specifically) by replacing it with a simpler one (undefined, hypothetical options)
I dd nothing of the sort. I actually haven't made a prescriptive claim at all yet. I simply pointed out the flaw in your logic. Not sure how you could accuse me of that when I never actually made an argument, I only diagnosed yours.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:17 am to RoyalWe
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You can abuse a populace for a very long time, until you can't. When the justice system is abusing its citizen (not the criminals), there is a price being paid. You see it here with people being fatigued by unlawful behavior not being punished
Again
This argument would work for the hellscape that was 1975-1995 America
It doesn't really with with 2025 America with such reduced crime
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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At least you're being honest with shitting on our Constitution, unlike others ITT
I’m not shitting on the constitution. I’m simply pointing out that it has been abused by progressives long enough that authoritarian rule could start to sound better because of what the constitution inevitably was abused to allow or failed to prevent.
The constitution obviously has allowed itself to be abused to the point where somebody can be arrested 13 times and on the 14th time for murder be unfit to stand trial.
I love the constitution. Big fan. Pointing out that it hasn’t allowed or enforced for a safe or free society isn’t shitting on it.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:17 am to 3nOut
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the guy out on bail for the 13th time and murdered somebody.
How often do you think this happens? You must believe it’s a common occurrence to detail it here.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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people who believe in our Constitution
Of the hundreds of thousands of bullshite posts you’ve had, this is top 5. The Left wipes their arse with the Constitution daily, and only refer to it when some activist in a black robe promises to follow their bastardization of it.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:18 am to 4cubbies
This the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. Congrats, you really justify why people make fun of you on this board.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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This would have been much more of a point in the hellscape that was 1975-1995 America, and not 2025 America when crime is much lower
I don’t think crime isn’t actually much lower. We just have a lower murder rate due to medical technology, training, and cell phones.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:19 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:That's your opinion based on whatever statistics you believe. You know what matters more than statistics? How people feel. How their lives have changed over time. The chaos we see and feel across the nation. So hug onto your statistics, but you'll find the people's opinions matter more than your desire to be an "ackshully" guy.
It doesn't really with with 2025 America with such reduced crime
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:20 am to High C
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That’s a financial consideration?
If you ignore rights you can save costs, yes. You can spend a lot less if you don't have to provide proper medical care or humane conditions, for examples. Or due process/attorneys and a functioning legal system that requires the state to meet its high burden of proof.
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but to diminish them by constantly having charges reduced or pled down.
The system would effectively grind to a halt without plea bargains. Our system cannot handle the amount of prosecutions we have, currently. That's why we have plea bargains.
Again, do you understand the unfathomable cost it would be to stop what you're complaining about and fully prosecute these cases? The costs of the extra courts, judges, staff, public defender funding, prosecutor funding, etc.
This post was edited on 4/11/26 at 11:21 am
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:21 am to RoyalWe
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You know what matters more than statistics? How people feel. How their lives have changed over time. The chaos we see and feel across the nation.
How has your life changed over time due to violent crime? What chaos do you experience because of crime?
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:22 am to 3nOut
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I don’t think crime isn’t actually much lower.
It is.
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We just have a lower murder rate due to medical technology, training, and cell phones.
There are other crimes other than murder.
Also, the rates of basically all social pathologies (other than unwed pregnancies) are down in similar rates today compared to the hellscape of 1975-1995
Abortion, teen pregnancy, etc. all follow the same track.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:22 am to 4cubbies
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in 1991 alone some 45 percent of state prisoners were criminals who, at the very moment they committed their latest crimes, were on probation or parole. While under supervision in the community, these prisoners had committed at least 218,000 violent crimes including 13,200 murders and 11,600 rapes (more than half of the rapes against children).
LINK
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:23 am to RoyalWe
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That's your opinion based on whatever statistics you believe.
Following statistics isn't an opinion
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You know what matters more than statistics? How people feel.
Facts don't care about your feelings.
You're arguing like a leftist
Your cognitive dissonance of facts and feelings is a major issue, too, which also attacks OP
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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the rates of basically all social pathologies (other than unwed pregnancies)
And opioid addiction
And gambling addiction
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:23 am to the808bass
Community supervision isn’t bail.
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