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re: We see the results of our revolving door of “justice” every day. Meanwhile…
Posted on 4/12/26 at 9:38 pm to wackatimesthree
Posted on 4/12/26 at 9:38 pm to wackatimesthree
People acting like that would be in mental incarceration programs.
Which mental incarceration program was Orlando Brown in?
Which mental incarceration program was Orlando Brown in?
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Posted on 4/12/26 at 9:48 pm to Rebel
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Which mental incarceration program was Orlando Brown in?
The guy calmly sitting in the chair and giving this interview?
Orlando Brown
As I suspected, the goal posts are moving.
"Feral" means that you have no capacity to act any way other than wild and out of control. That's literally what it means. A "feral human" is never in control or not acting wild and aggressively.
Clearly you don't actually mean "feral." Whether it's because you don't understand the definition of the word or you are being disingenuous, I'm not sure yet.
I know which one I suspect, but I'm not 100% sure yet.
What I think you mean is humans who—relative to the average person—lack impulse control and occasionally engage in more or less extreme and/or criminal anti-social behavior.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 10:00 pm to wackatimesthree
My bad. DeCarlos Brown.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 10:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Sure, but we're still discussing policies.
Can’t properly discuss a policy without discussing its impact on real people.
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To protect the rights of all of us. What's your problem with that, exactly? You've yet to communicate it.
Soft on crime protects criminals. It enabled them to repeat offend. It doesn’t protect the victims. It creates them.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 10:07 pm to djsdawg
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Soft on crime protects criminals. It enabled them to repeat offend. It doesn’t protect the victims. It creates them.
How does eroding our rights protect us? You and me.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 10:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Somewhere around 87% of judges are selected or retained in some form of election, fwiw. Id imagine the rate of attorneys general and district attorneys follow similar rates.
Cool. What kind of inane point are you attempting in a failing manner to make?
Posted on 4/12/26 at 11:22 pm to Rebel
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My bad. DeCarlos Brown.
Yeah, the guy that has been clinically diagnosed with schizophrenia.
And whose lawyers are arguing exactly what I said earlier.
He Will Go To A Mental Facility, Not A Prison
He's actually a perfect example to prove my point.
This post was edited on 4/12/26 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 4/13/26 at 12:30 am to wackatimesthree
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He's actually a perfect example to prove my point.
He went to jail 30 times before he killed someone before the mental ward.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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How does eroding our rights protect us? You and me.
The most dangerous people would be in the prison away from yours and mine.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 6:02 am to wackatimesthree
Our criminal justice system that apply the civil rights you libs are celebrating is far from perfect with those that can afford better lawyers obtaining better results in punishment. But the premise that was brought in this thread is 100 percent correct, that more severe penalties would absolutely result in a safer society. The problem is in the democratic held cities where liberal judges pardon severe crime so that hardened criminals, rapist and murderers get out of prison and repeat horrid crimes mostly in their minority communities. The cities in the US likely kill more people than most wars. I believe the largest racial issue in our country today is how this inner city minority killing is not addressed. Trump attempted to help with ICE but has been fought by liberal politicians elected by the same minorities.
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 6:42 am
Posted on 4/13/26 at 6:17 am to 4cubbies
quote:Yeah what could ever condition one to think this way?
So far in the don’t trust column we have: anything negative about trump, anything negative about trump’s friends/donors, anything negative about Trump’s male cabinet members In the do trust column we have: anything negative about black people, anything negative about libs
Wild
Posted on 4/13/26 at 6:36 am to 4cubbies
Did you miss 3nOuts post?
Posted on 4/13/26 at 6:51 am to ManBearTiger
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Cool. What kind of inane point are you attempting in a failing manner to make?
Did you read his post?
Do you understand what elections do?
Why would they be fearful of their electorate when they're specifically chosen by that electorate? And the electorate has a process to replace the judges if they feel the judges are failing as he describes.
This isn't complicated
Posted on 4/13/26 at 6:52 am to djsdawg
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The most dangerous people would be in the prison away from yours and mine.
And our chances of being falsely labeled a dangerous person and put away with them increase dramatically
Did you miss the prosecutions of Trump? He'd be in jail in your system.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 7:43 am to Rebel
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He went to jail 30 times before he killed someone before the mental ward.
Jail isn't prison.
I never would have claimed he wouldn't have gone to jail. You end up in jail before the mental ward too.
Besides, all of this niggling on your part is an attempted distraction. I never said that NO ONE ever in the history of the penal system ever went to prison instead of a mental institution who had a mental illness. Sometimes people slip through the cracks.
I said "almost."
Even if you were right about this guy (which you weren't), it wouldn't prove anything. People who act the way you tripled down on them acting don't typically end up in prison. They end up in some kind of mental institution.
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 7:47 am
Posted on 4/13/26 at 8:13 am to ulmtiger
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you libs
I'm almost certainly farther to the right than you.
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But the premise that was brought in this thread is 100 percent correct, that more severe penalties would absolutely result in a safer society.
Again, did you read the numbers. posted earlier? More severe than what? The idea that convicts are getting light sentences is not borne out by any numbers or data on the subject that I know of (please share if you do have some that contradict what I have posted already).
Here's some more, though:
90% of federal cases send the perp to prison. Only 7% get probation.
Those convicted of murder get an average sentence of 24 years.
63% of state prisoners are serving 10+ years.
There are roughly 10,000,000 arrests every year.
There are roughly 10,000,000 cases prosecuted every year (which makes sense, right? About 2,000,000 felonies and 8,000,000 misdemeanors).
There are about 8,000,000 convictions every year, but most are misdemeanors.
There are about 10,000,000 jail admissions every year.
There are around 20-25k homicides every year, which means that .2% of arrests are the result of homicide.
In any given year, 60-70% of released criminals reoffend with non-violent offenses, 20-30% reoffend with violent offenses.
Put all those numbers together and this is what they mean: Your perception about this is not reality. The trope of the guy who has been arrested and released 30 times and then who finally kills someone does happen, but it's a tiny, tiny fraction of the cycle.
How many of those stories make national news every year? Let's say 100. I think that's being conservative/generous.
That's .001% of people who went to jail. And that's even counting the people who only went once or twice. If we were able to narrow it down to multiple repeat offenders the number would be significantly less than .001%.
You are allowing yourself to be manipulated by the media (including social media) on this. There is no widespread problem here.
You are just like your populist mirror image on the other side who is convinced that unarmed black people are hunted by police and murdered at high rates when the actual rate is usually around .0015% of unarmed black men being shot by the police in any given year out of the 7 figures worth of police interactions with citizens.
This is exactly why I always say that populism is what is going to end the country. It causes people to lose their grip on reality. And I know, even after giving you facts and figures, it won't make any difference to you, just like it doesn't make any difference to a hysterical black person screaming "Black Lives Matter" when you show them that there really is no widespread problem threatening black lives.
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 10:15 am
Posted on 4/13/26 at 9:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'm educating a very ignorant room.
Ahhh, there it is
Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:03 am to 4cubbies
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If we really cared about safety, we would kill or incarcerate everyone. It’s the only way to really ensure no crime will be committed.
Is everyone committing the crimes? Or are there irrefutable patterns?
Maybe instead of blaming these patterns we can blame inanimate objects for these patterns occurring.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:04 am to jnethe1
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Or are there irrefutable patterns?
You're a step away from using precogs
Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:15 am to SlowFlowPro
I would argue that it’s not predictive justice, rather reactive.
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