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re: We see the results of our revolving door of “justice” every day. Meanwhile…
Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:17 am to jnethe1
Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:17 am to jnethe1
Ultimately the crime alleged is itself completely removed from any prior history. Removing the safeguards for the investigation/prosecution of that crime in order to use things like history, hurts everyone else because we all lose those safeguards and will lose more as the authoritarian philosophy takes stronger hold.
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Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:38 am to SlowFlowPro
The “totalitarian” label gets thrown around way too easily here. El Salvador wasn’t some thriving democracy with perfect rights before Bukele, it was a narco hellhole where gangs like MS-13 literally controlled neighborhoods, extorted businesses, and murdered people at will. Regular citizens had zero “basic rights” to walk the streets safely or live without fear. Bukele’s mass arrests targeted gang members and violent offenders (not random jaywalkers), and violent crime plummeted. People there can actually live now.
Compare that to our revolving door: career criminals with 10+ priors out on bond again, committing more violence while victims and their families get the shaft. That’s not “respecting the Constitution”, that’s disrespecting the rights of law abiding Americans to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The Founders never intended the system to protect predators over productive citizens.
We don’t have to copy El Salvador 1:1 (we’re not a tiny country). But we can do 3-strikes laws that actually mean life without parole for violent repeat offenders, end cashless bail for serious crimes, speed up prosecutions, and build more prisons instead of sanctuary policies and revolving-door releases. Plenty of states had harsher habitual offender laws for decades without becoming dictatorships. The Constitution allows for punishment of the guilty after due process. It doesn’t require we keep letting them loose to victimize more people.
Calling any push for real consequences “shitting on what it means to be American” is a stretch. Safety and order are pretty foundational to a free society too. What’s your alternative that actually stops the repeat killers and rapists we see every single day in the headlines?
Compare that to our revolving door: career criminals with 10+ priors out on bond again, committing more violence while victims and their families get the shaft. That’s not “respecting the Constitution”, that’s disrespecting the rights of law abiding Americans to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The Founders never intended the system to protect predators over productive citizens.
We don’t have to copy El Salvador 1:1 (we’re not a tiny country). But we can do 3-strikes laws that actually mean life without parole for violent repeat offenders, end cashless bail for serious crimes, speed up prosecutions, and build more prisons instead of sanctuary policies and revolving-door releases. Plenty of states had harsher habitual offender laws for decades without becoming dictatorships. The Constitution allows for punishment of the guilty after due process. It doesn’t require we keep letting them loose to victimize more people.
Calling any push for real consequences “shitting on what it means to be American” is a stretch. Safety and order are pretty foundational to a free society too. What’s your alternative that actually stops the repeat killers and rapists we see every single day in the headlines?
Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:47 am to 4cubbies
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If we really cared about safety, we would kill or incarcerate everyone. It’s the only way to really ensure no crime will be committed. Until you support that, you’re just virtue signaling.
Lol.... Wow! There are many productive actions to be taken between those extremes!! I bet you wonder why some folks believe women shouldn't vote!
Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:51 am to djsdawg
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The most dangerous people would be in the prison away from yours and mine.
Half of murders aren't solved. The most dangerous people often don't get caught.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:54 am to ReauxlTide222
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Yeah what could ever condition one to think this way?
echo chambers.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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Did you miss the prosecutions of Trump? He'd be in jail in your system.
The narrative is that only politically-connected billionaires with access to the best defense attorneys imaginable get railroaded by the system. This never happens to poor, middle-income or moderately wealthy individuals. Just Donald Trump.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 11:29 am to jnethe1
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What’s your alternative that actually stops the repeat killers and rapists we see every single day in the headlines?
Don't pay any attention to the numbers I posted, you tell me.
What percentage of all the criminals in the US are repeat violent offenders who have been let out of prison without serving any time and who go on to violently reoffend?
Fire up AI and find out.
Y'all are completely impervious to someone else telling you, so go look it up yourself.
I'll go ahead and ruin the surprise...it's very close to the same percentage of police interactions with citizens that end up with an unarmed black man shot by the po-lice.
Which means if we have a systemic problem with one, we have a systemic problem with the other. The percentages are that close.
Do you think we have a systemic problem with unarmed black men being shot by the po-lice?
Me neither.
And because I am intellectually consistent and honest, I have to conclude that we don't have a widespread systemic problem with criminals who have been arrested and released multiple times roaming free and committing rape and murder.
What we have is a media that sensationalizes both for views/clicks. That's actually how you know they are rare...they make national headlines. If this was happening all over the place all the time you wouldn't see it on every news outlet in the country.
You've been played just like the BLM zealots.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 11:39 am to 4cubbies
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The narrative is that only politically-connected billionaires with access to the best defense attorneys imaginable get railroaded by the system.
I don't think that's the narrative.
The narrative is that THAT billionaire with the best defense attorneys imaginable was certainly railroaded, and that's not in dispute among reasonable, honest observers. Unless you can tell me what felony he was attempting to conceal by using inaccurate records. Can you?
Oh, and, you know this already, but for others reading, research shows that public defenders get similar results to private attorneys. Some studies show that they get better results.
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This never happens to poor, middle-income or moderately wealthy individuals.
I would guess that the kind of political lawfare targeting that Trump experienced rarely happens to anyone.
Other stuff happens, sure. But not that.
However, SFP's point is that when we start to erode Constitutional protections to "Get the bad guys," we lose Constitutional protections for the good guys too. And then that sort of targeting might become more prevalent.
My point is that MAGA wants to piss on the Constitution for a systemic problem that doesn't even exist beyond a tiny fraction of cases. Just like unarmed black men being shot by po-lice.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 11:43 am to wackatimesthree
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My point is that MAGA wants to piss on the Constitution for a systemic problem that doesn't even exist beyond a tiny fraction of cases. Just like unarmed black men being shot by po-lice.
You are correct. That's why I keep using the "emotional" label with these discussions. They dismiss stats as fake but gladly overrate content created solely to trigger their lizard brain and create fear. A literal "feelings over facts" scenario, which these same people will claim is a trait of the leftist/liberals.
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 11:44 am
Posted on 4/13/26 at 11:45 am to 4cubbies
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echo chambers.
Try reality
Posted on 4/13/26 at 11:46 am to wackatimesthree
You’re missing the point by trying to equate two completely different situations with “percentages.”
The “unarmed black man shot by police” cases get wall-to-wall coverage because they fit a preferred narrative, even though the raw numbers are tiny in a country this size with millions of police encounters every year. Most of those shootings involve armed suspects or split-second threats anyway.
But the revolving door of career criminals with long rap sheets is not some microscopic percentage that only exists in headlines. We see the same names popping up over and over in city after city. guys with 10, 15, 20 priors out on bond or early release, then committing more robberies, carjackings, or murders. Victims and their families get the shaft while the system bends over backward to protect the “rights” of predators.
That’s not media sensationalism creating the problem. That’s policy choices; cashless bail, plea deals, no-cash releases, and soft-on-crime DAs; turning violent repeat offenders loose on law-abiding citizens. El Salvador didn’t drop its murder rate by hoping the gangs would behave better or blaming the media. They locked them up. Crime plummeted and people could actually live without fear.
We don’t need to copy Bukele 1:1. But we can enforce real three-strikes laws that mean something for violent felons, end the revolving door for serious crimes, speed up prosecutions, and stop treating habitual offenders like first-time shoplifters. The Constitution never required us to keep releasing people who have already shown they have zero respect for anyone else’s life, liberty, or property. It allows punishment after due process.
If these repeat violent offenders are truly as rare as you claim and just a media creation, then why do so many big cities keep having the exact same pattern play out day after day? And what’s your alternative that actually keeps the career killers and rapists off the streets instead of cycling them back out?
Calling it all “just like the cop shooting thing” and saying we’ve all been played like BLM zealots doesn’t hold up when you look at the actual impact on neighborhoods and the clear policy failures driving it. Safety and order for productive citizens matter too.
The “unarmed black man shot by police” cases get wall-to-wall coverage because they fit a preferred narrative, even though the raw numbers are tiny in a country this size with millions of police encounters every year. Most of those shootings involve armed suspects or split-second threats anyway.
But the revolving door of career criminals with long rap sheets is not some microscopic percentage that only exists in headlines. We see the same names popping up over and over in city after city. guys with 10, 15, 20 priors out on bond or early release, then committing more robberies, carjackings, or murders. Victims and their families get the shaft while the system bends over backward to protect the “rights” of predators.
That’s not media sensationalism creating the problem. That’s policy choices; cashless bail, plea deals, no-cash releases, and soft-on-crime DAs; turning violent repeat offenders loose on law-abiding citizens. El Salvador didn’t drop its murder rate by hoping the gangs would behave better or blaming the media. They locked them up. Crime plummeted and people could actually live without fear.
We don’t need to copy Bukele 1:1. But we can enforce real three-strikes laws that mean something for violent felons, end the revolving door for serious crimes, speed up prosecutions, and stop treating habitual offenders like first-time shoplifters. The Constitution never required us to keep releasing people who have already shown they have zero respect for anyone else’s life, liberty, or property. It allows punishment after due process.
If these repeat violent offenders are truly as rare as you claim and just a media creation, then why do so many big cities keep having the exact same pattern play out day after day? And what’s your alternative that actually keeps the career killers and rapists off the streets instead of cycling them back out?
Calling it all “just like the cop shooting thing” and saying we’ve all been played like BLM zealots doesn’t hold up when you look at the actual impact on neighborhoods and the clear policy failures driving it. Safety and order for productive citizens matter too.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 12:07 pm to jnethe1
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But the revolving door of career criminals with long rap sheets is not some microscopic percentage that only exists in headlines.
Yes, when you add the qualifier that they are career criminals with long rap sheets who are roaming the streets still, continuing to commit violent crimes, it factually is.
I've posted the actual numbers in this thread.
I think it came out to .0015% of those who have been in jail or convicted of a crime.
And the rest of the numbers explain why. Sure, they have long rap sheets and they've done minimal time. But that's because their rap sheet contains misdemeanors. Weed possession, driving without a license, misdemeanor assault, petty theft, DUI, etc., etc., etc.
The statistics absolutely DO NOT support the notion that any significant number of people are being arrested for rape or murder and being let out after six months.
Out on bail? Let's run some number on that real quick. Looks like give or take around .06% of perps on pre-trial release are arrested again for a new homicide or rape. That's 40 times higher than the perps who have been in jail and released—granted—but it's still a pretty small number.
Let's use our point of comparison again, which I am using because it is a leftist populist frenzy that has several points of uncanny similarity with the crime frenzy that the rightists populists have bought into...unarmed black men shot by the po-lice. Instead of it averaging around 15 per year out of approximately a million citizen interactions, let's say it was 600 out of a million.
Does that constitute a systemic problem? I'm fine with it if you say yes, but then we'll have to discuss the cost to house all of these perps who now are let out pre-trial.
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guys with 10, 15, 20 priors out on bond or early release, then committing more robberies, carjackings, or murders.
Only those 10, 15, 20 priors weren't for carjackings or robberies or murders. They just weren't. Not for any significant number of perps. Real world numbers for average carjacking sentences are 8-15 years. Murder is 24 years. Armed robbery is 10-20. More like 20-30 if someone is hurt during the commission of it.
You are being played.
Just like BLM activists.
You are their populist mirror image.
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 4/13/26 at 12:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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A literal "feelings over facts" scenario, which these same people will claim is a trait of the leftist/liberals.
It's a trait of populism IMO.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 12:24 pm to wackatimesthree
You’re still missing the point by hiding behind diluted national percentages and trying to equate two completely different problems.
Nobody is saying every single arrest leads to a violent predator being released the next day. The issue is with the specific group of repeat violent offenders; the ones with multiple felony convictions for armed robbery, aggravated assault, carjacking, rape, or murder; who keep getting put back on the street through cashless bail, plea bargains that knock felonies down to misdemeanors, early releases, and soft DAs who treat them like minor nuisances.
Your .0015% and .06% numbers might look small when you water them down across every weed charge, traffic ticket, and misdemeanor in the country, but that doesn’t change what people see in high-crime cities day after day. The same names and faces keep showing up in police reports and news stories for new violent crimes. Families of the victims aren’t impressed by your national averages when their loved one is gone because the system let a known repeat offender walk again.
You claim those long rap sheets are mostly misdemeanors. In plenty of these real cases they aren’t, or the felonies get pled down exactly because of the policies we’re talking about. Average sentences on paper for carjacking or armed robbery don’t mean much when good time, overcrowding, and progressive prosecutors get them back out years earlier than the public expects. That revolving door has real body counts in Chicago, New York, LA, and plenty of other places.
Comparing this to unarmed black men shot by police still doesn’t work. Those incidents are rare relative to millions of police encounters, and most involve resistance or actual threats once the full context comes out. The repeat violent offender problem isn’t some media creation; it’s policy failure with measurable victims every single year.
El Salvador showed what happens when you stop cycling the worst offenders back onto the streets. Homicide rates dropped dramatically. We don’t have to copy it exactly, but we can enforce meaningful three-strikes laws for violent felonies, end no-cash bail for serious crimes, speed up prosecutions, and stop treating career predators like first-time shoplifters.
The Constitution doesn’t require us to keep releasing people who have already proven they have no respect for anyone else’s life, liberty, or property. It allows punishment after due process.
If these repeat violent offenders are really as insignificant as your percentages suggest, then why do the same patterns keep playing out in city after city? What’s your actual solution besides more stats and telling everyone they’re just like BLM activists? Because “the numbers are small so do nothing” isn’t keeping law-abiding citizens safe.
If these repeat violent offenders are really as insignificant as your percentages suggest, then why do we keep seeing 162+ preventable murders in Harris County since 2021 from people who should have been locked up? What’s your actual solution besides more stats and telling everyone they’re just like BLM activists? Because “the numbers are small so do nothing” isn’t keeping law-abiding Houstonians safe.
Nobody is saying every single arrest leads to a violent predator being released the next day. The issue is with the specific group of repeat violent offenders; the ones with multiple felony convictions for armed robbery, aggravated assault, carjacking, rape, or murder; who keep getting put back on the street through cashless bail, plea bargains that knock felonies down to misdemeanors, early releases, and soft DAs who treat them like minor nuisances.
Your .0015% and .06% numbers might look small when you water them down across every weed charge, traffic ticket, and misdemeanor in the country, but that doesn’t change what people see in high-crime cities day after day. The same names and faces keep showing up in police reports and news stories for new violent crimes. Families of the victims aren’t impressed by your national averages when their loved one is gone because the system let a known repeat offender walk again.
You claim those long rap sheets are mostly misdemeanors. In plenty of these real cases they aren’t, or the felonies get pled down exactly because of the policies we’re talking about. Average sentences on paper for carjacking or armed robbery don’t mean much when good time, overcrowding, and progressive prosecutors get them back out years earlier than the public expects. That revolving door has real body counts in Chicago, New York, LA, and plenty of other places.
Comparing this to unarmed black men shot by police still doesn’t work. Those incidents are rare relative to millions of police encounters, and most involve resistance or actual threats once the full context comes out. The repeat violent offender problem isn’t some media creation; it’s policy failure with measurable victims every single year.
El Salvador showed what happens when you stop cycling the worst offenders back onto the streets. Homicide rates dropped dramatically. We don’t have to copy it exactly, but we can enforce meaningful three-strikes laws for violent felonies, end no-cash bail for serious crimes, speed up prosecutions, and stop treating career predators like first-time shoplifters.
The Constitution doesn’t require us to keep releasing people who have already proven they have no respect for anyone else’s life, liberty, or property. It allows punishment after due process.
If these repeat violent offenders are really as insignificant as your percentages suggest, then why do the same patterns keep playing out in city after city? What’s your actual solution besides more stats and telling everyone they’re just like BLM activists? Because “the numbers are small so do nothing” isn’t keeping law-abiding citizens safe.
If these repeat violent offenders are really as insignificant as your percentages suggest, then why do we keep seeing 162+ preventable murders in Harris County since 2021 from people who should have been locked up? What’s your actual solution besides more stats and telling everyone they’re just like BLM activists? Because “the numbers are small so do nothing” isn’t keeping law-abiding Houstonians safe.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 12:30 pm to jnethe1
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Your .0015% and .06% numbers might look small when you water them down across every weed charge, traffic ticket, and misdemeanor in the country, but that doesn’t change what people see in high-crime cities day after day.
If facts don't care about your feelings it is apparently just as true that your feelings don't care about facts.
I can't compete with, "Yeah, I know you posted facts, but that's not my perception, so it has to be false."
Enjoy your frenzied ranting without me. I suggest a catchy name for your false movement like BLM has. Theirs is great because it reduces down to just an acronym, but it's still short enough to chant at demonstrations and put on T shirts.
I look forward to what your populist side comes up with for this fake outrage.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 12:38 pm to wackatimesthree
If only there was a real world example of a country putting into practice that which I’m advocating for so we could see if it works. Wait, El Salvador. How’d that turn out?
Furthermore, what do you have to say concerning the 162+ murders in Houston since 2021 that could have been prevented by implementing these policies? Since you like to deal in facts (at no point have I swayed from the utilization of facts), the fact of the matter is there are countless examples across this country in the form of funerals and police tape that prove that your argument isn’t theoretically flawed, it’s provably wrong.
Furthermore, what do you have to say concerning the 162+ murders in Houston since 2021 that could have been prevented by implementing these policies? Since you like to deal in facts (at no point have I swayed from the utilization of facts), the fact of the matter is there are countless examples across this country in the form of funerals and police tape that prove that your argument isn’t theoretically flawed, it’s provably wrong.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:02 pm to 4cubbies
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The narrative is that only politically-connected billionaires with access to the best defense attorneys imaginable get railroaded by the system. This never happens to poor, middle-income or moderately wealthy individuals. Just Donald Trump.
Perhaps this is why liberal activist judges and DA’s are doing the opposite of rail roading poor individuals and putting the lives of yours and mine at risk to satisfy their thirst for social justice/
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:04 pm to wackatimesthree
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The narrative is that THAT billionaire with the best defense attorneys imaginable was certainly railroaded, and that's not in dispute among reasonable, honest observers. Unless you can tell me what felony he was attempting to conceal by using inaccurate records. Can you?
Trump is the only person who has ever been convicted of a crime that you believe the accused did not commit. He's so tremendously special, isn't he?
quote:At trial?
Oh, and, you know this already, but for others reading, research shows that public defenders get similar results to private attorneys. Some studies show that they get better results.
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I would guess that the kind of political lawfare targeting that Trump experienced rarely happens to anyone.
Other stuff happens, sure. But not that.
What other stuff?
I agree with SFP's point and yours.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:04 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Try reality
I experience a different reality than you do.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:06 pm to 4cubbies
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Half of murders aren't solved. The most dangerous people often don't get caught.
Contrary to you belief, This is no excuse to be soft on crime.
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