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re: We love the first amendment don't we folks?
Posted on 6/15/19 at 4:48 pm to dawgfan24348
Posted on 6/15/19 at 4:48 pm to dawgfan24348
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No because those actions have actual consequences that can cause harm to people
Which are dependent on the acts of third parties not the conveyor themselves, same with flag burning outside of its immeasurable worth to this country and those around the world seeking freedom, such acts can inspire a frenzy and breaches of the peace, check mate
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Posted on 6/15/19 at 4:50 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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burning a cross in a black pereon’s yard should be protected by first amendment?
Burning the flag in protest is not the same as commiting arson on private property.
Posted on 6/15/19 at 4:50 pm to CommoDawg
A ban of flag burning makes no sense.
Posted on 6/15/19 at 4:51 pm to dawgfan24348
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It's a direct violation of the first amendment and just because you don't like the act doesn't mean it's ok for the government to outlaw it
I don't like when people threaten political figures in protest speeches or perform obscene acts in public but it's against the law and ok despite one can construe both those instances as first amendment speech if we're being absolute
Posted on 6/15/19 at 4:54 pm to troyt37
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I don’t think preventing people from burning the flag would be the end of the world.
The American flag retains transcendental worth as a symbol of our great nation and freedom and means so much to hundreds of millions of people in a positive way, I'm sure the benefits of prohibiting the burning of Old Glory in public outweigh the free speech costs here considering the 1st Amendment isn't an absolute right
Posted on 6/15/19 at 4:57 pm to ThePTExperience1969
The flag is not above the rights enumerated in the Constitution.
Flag burning needs to remain legal as a form of protest.
I would rather every flag in this country be burned than have a single person arrested for doing it.
Downvote away freedom loving patriots.
Flag burning needs to remain legal as a form of protest.
I would rather every flag in this country be burned than have a single person arrested for doing it.
Downvote away freedom loving patriots.
This post was edited on 6/15/19 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 6/15/19 at 5:00 pm to TrueTiger
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Its a safety issue,
‘Safety’ can be used to restrict speech in a dangerous manner.
Did you support Berkeley canceling Milo’s speech due to safety concerns?
Posted on 6/15/19 at 5:02 pm to ThePTExperience1969
All I hear is "I only want the constitution to work when it works in my personal favor"
This post was edited on 6/15/19 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 6/15/19 at 5:12 pm to dawgfan24348
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Please tell me why it makes sense for the government to tell a person they can't burn the flag. It's a direct violation of the first amendment and just because you don't like the act doesn't mean it's ok for the government to outlaw it
Sure, right after you tell me why it makes sense for the government to be able to require their permission before a person can keep and bear arms, and then lay conditions on when and where it can be done. It’s a direct violation of the Second Amendment and just because you don’t like the act doesn’t mean it’s ok for the government to outlaw it.
Posted on 6/15/19 at 5:21 pm to weagle99
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The flag is not above the rights enumerated in the Constitution.
Neither is the police searching a car without a warrant but we allow it anyway per the automobile exception, we allow cities to use eminent domain for public purposes instead of "public use" as the Constitution strictly textually permits, how about search incident to arrest? What about Heller safe harbor despite that, when the Constitution was enacted, people owned actual cannons and artillery on their property? What about assault weapon bans?
Sorry bro these amendments aren't absolute, it's about the core of what the Framers want to protect. I don't think prohibiting someone from BURNING THE AMERICAN FLAG IN PUBLIC strikes at the heart of the First Amendment because theres no view being expressed except maybe hatred of America which might subject them to suspicion based on the Espionage Act as sustained in Schenck and Debs but what do I know?
Posted on 6/15/19 at 5:22 pm to dawgfan24348
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I only want the constitution to work when it works in my personal favor
Pretty much. Bunch of fake freedom lovers in this thread.
Posted on 6/15/19 at 5:25 pm to dawgfan24348
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All I hear is "I only want the constitution to work when it works in my personal favor"
LOL I'd LOVE to read your positions on state and federal restrictions that directly violate the 2nd Amendment and see how consistent you are with absolutism, what about all the exceptions to the 4th Amendment? I mean ARE YOU frickING KIDDING ME?
Posted on 6/15/19 at 5:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Um, no bc that isn't their property and they are trespassing.
This post was edited on 6/15/19 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 6/15/19 at 5:25 pm to troyt37
Safety reasons mostly. While I strongly do agree with 2nd amendment it did not account for the mentally unstable and violent felons being able to have access to these weapons.
There's no safety reasons given to outlaw flag burning
There's no safety reasons given to outlaw flag burning
Posted on 6/15/19 at 5:27 pm to 1BamaRTR
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I only want the constitution to work when it works in my personal favor
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Pretty much. Bunch of fake freedom lovers in this thread.
I mean if we applied a textualist and originalist approach to the 1st Amendment, i could argue it doesn't protect conduct like burning American flags but what do the Framers know? They just wrote the damn thing
Posted on 6/15/19 at 5:38 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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I don't think prohibiting someone from BURNING THE AMERICAN FLAG IN PUBLIC strikes at the heart of the First Amendment
Then I’m glad you aren’t on SCOTUS
What other speech should we outlaw because it offends you or the majority?
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hatred of America
We are all required to love America?
Cool pic of JB by the way.
This post was edited on 6/15/19 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 6/15/19 at 5:43 pm to dawgfan24348
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While I strongly do agree with 2nd amendment it did not account for the mentally unstable and violent felons being able to have access to these weapons.
Criminals and mentally unstable people existed when the 2nd was written. Why weren’t they exempted from the right?
Posted on 6/15/19 at 5:55 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Content-based restrictions automatically receive strict scrutiny review by the courts, but it wasn't the content of Johnson's speech it wasn't his point, it was his CONDUCT which the Founding Fathers and Justice Black hold the state can regulate as well as Chief Justice Warren
Ah. Careful. Plenty of states would love to regulate 2A related conduct
Posted on 6/15/19 at 6:03 pm to weagle99
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Then I’m glad you aren’t on SCOTUS
So you aren't glad that people like Hugo Black, William Rehnquist, Sandra Day O'Connor, Earl Warren, the Holmes Court, John Paul Stevens, Byron White, and Abe Fortas served on SCOTUS? All the justices I just listed range from the liberal to the conservative in their constitutional interpretation. Wowwww begs the question what kind of justices you like on the Court
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What other speech should we outlaw because it offends you or the majority?
It's not speech it's conduct and the First Amendment doesn't protect that, also the only idea it conveys is hatred of America which renders that person to suspicion under the Espionage Act that SCOTUS upheld against 1st Amendment challenges
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hatred of America
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We are all required to love America?
I never said that I said the only idea burning the flag conveys is hatred of America, not a requirement to love America, affirmative hate.
This post was edited on 6/15/19 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 6/15/19 at 6:28 pm to CommoDawg
What if it’s a rainbow flag? Even worse, what if a baker or florist bits a rainbow flag?
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