re: We have nothing in common.

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See above.

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I'm not seeing any candidates listed with their immigration policy proposals.

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I'm not seeing any candidates listed with their immigration policy proposals.

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Have any of them come out in support of prosecuting criminal illegals for entering our country? No? Then they don't support our immigration laws against entering this country illegally.

Have any of the candidates come out in support of preventing criminal illegals from receiving taxpayer dollars for healthcare, food housing, college tuition? No? Then they support open borders, and an invasion. It's that simple. And until you can produce one fricking piece of evidence to the contrary, pretty much everyone here recognizes that you are completely full of shite.

ETA: I'm hurt. All you have left are down votes. And we had so much in common...

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I can't tell which half you're talking about.

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It's almost embarrassingly easy.

The "half" that actually celebrates every manner of behavior that seeks to do everything possible to impede the furtherance of Western culture/civilization to succeeding generations.

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There are two parts to this; the offense, and the punishment. "Open borders" would be making the offense no longer an offense. The current crop of candidates, as far as I know, want to keep the offense and modify the punishment.

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Well. They don't want to "modify" it. They want to eliminate it.

I mean come on. If we outlaw murder......but have no actual penalties for murder, are we REALLY against murder?

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Excuse me while I marvel at your incredible logical leaping ability!

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If you demand to stop enforcing a law.........while actively helping the potential perps to violate the law........you support the action.

The logical leap it takes to deny this is astonishing

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I don't know the details of every candidate's position on taxpayer dollars supporting illegals, but you're acting like every lib wants to stand at the border with buckets of cash to hand to everyone coming here.

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Literally every single candidate raised their hands saying "yes" to exactly this.

Oh. I get it. You think if they don't LITERALLY stand their with buckets, it doesn't count.

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The candidates that do talk about healthcare and tuition for immigrants do so in the context of a broader overhaul of the immigration process

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NONE OF THEM WANT ANY PENALTIES

THAT is their "overhaul"!!

Sheesh. Talk about dancing around reality

Just bring on the boogaloo

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Is there a reason you said "socialist democrat" instead of just democrat?

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Because the overwhelming majority of democrats are Marxist/socialists, leading as it always does, to communism. Just being accurate. They've lumped themselves together, skippy. You really need to get out of that cave.

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Anyway, nearly half the candidates say they wouldn't change the punishment. Rather, they would make enforcement more humane.

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We have somewhere between 10 and 30 million criminal illegals in this country right now. What exactly is the punishment half of the socialist democrats wouldn't change, with the exception of making enforcement more humane, whatever that means?

Given that we have tens of millions of people violating our immigration laws, and hundreds of thousands more violating it every month, would you say that this mysterious punishment is adequate? Would you say that since half of the socialist democrat candidates think so, that half of socialist democrats themselves think so?

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The rest want to make it a civil offense rather than criminal, I believe.

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So the other half find this mysterious punishment, which has played it's part in the American taxpayer footing a 200+ billion dollar expense every year for criminal illegals, too harsh. Do you think this represents the other half of the socialist democrats? And what do you think all that means concerning my assertion that socialist democrats are advocating for open borders?

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Which, if we're being rational, it probably shouldn't be a criminal offense. The punishment should fit the crime, should it not?

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Don't ever accuse me of being rational, then. Because I think that we could stop criminal illegals coming across our border completely by having our National Guard shoot these invaders, as they attempt to cross. If that doesn't work, shoot the invaders, and bomb the Mexican capitol, preferably the president and the legislators houses, one per day, until the invasion stops. Illegal immigration would be zero, within a month.

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If the worst you've done is gone some place you're not supposed to go, should you go to jail? You didn't hurt anyone, or steal anything, or do anything that endangers others. You just went somewhere. Should you be locked up?

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Yep. It's called trespassing. People get locked up for it every fricking day.

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So, we seem to be at a point where the LITERAL meaning of words no longer matters. Instead, the opposition's stance is whatever YOU think it is. Correct?

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Well. Ya know. In 2019, I don't actually have to be at the border with buckets of cash to promise you buckets of cash.

This ain't 1700.

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Correction, nearly half of the current crop of dem candidates want to keep the current penalties

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This is just a bald faced lie.

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And of the rest, can you give me the name of just one who wants no penalties at all for illegal immigration? Pretty sure they are all for civil penalties at the very least.

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0 of them oppose sanctuary cities.

And, ALL of them oppose Trump enforcing current law and have backed every action taken by the left to stop him from doing so.

So. You go ahead and name one that actually wants to stop people at the border and kick out illegals who are arrested on this side of the border.

Just one.

I'll wait.

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Can you properly represent the position of what each half wants?

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I can represent what each half claims they want.

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Because the overwhelming majority of democrats are Marxist/socialists, leading as it always does, to communism.

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This is just plain false.

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They've lumped themselves together, skippy.

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Judging from this thread and board, it's the far right that is lumping all of the left with the far left.

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You really need to get out of that cave.

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And into yours?

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We have somewhere between 10 and 30 million criminal illegals in this country right now. What exactly is the punishment half of the socialist democrats wouldn't change, with the exception of making enforcement more humane, whatever that means?

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More humane would be treating people like people instead of animals, especially those people who are following your own party's advice of pull yourself up by your boostraps, if you can't survive where you live, move, get out of a bad environment, etc.

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Given that we have tens of millions of people violating our immigration laws, and hundreds of thousands more violating it every month, would you say that this mysterious punishment is adequate?

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If we're locking up people at the border and breaking up families, and STILL "hundreds of thousands" are crossing every month, how fricking far do you want to ramp up punishment in order to "solve" this problem? In general, if THAT many people are breaking a law, and breaking said law doesn't involve hurting or endangering anyone else, then the problem is with the law, not the people.

What would be so awful about streamlining the immigration process, so much so that it's clearly a better option than crossing illegally? Is it because you're worried about our jobs?

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Don't ever accuse me of being rational, then.

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Don't worry.

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Because I think that we could stop criminal illegals coming across our border completely by having our National Guard shoot these invaders, as they attempt to cross. If that doesn't work, shoot the invaders, and bomb the Mexican capitol, preferably the president and the legislators houses, one per day, until the invasion stops.

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Yep. It's called trespassing. People get locked up for it every fricking day.

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Trespassing pertains to private property.