re: We could have had DeSantis

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"They're weird" never stuck because there's really nothing weird about Trump or Vance.

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That fatalism is silly and unproductive. DeSantis is still a viable option for some future Presidential election (I would love to see him and Vance debate a few topics, I think it would be highly information-driven while also being more cordial and respectful).

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I don't know if you're watching whats going on and what it means for the government and economy going forward, but unless Trump changes course he is sinking us in 2028. And its going to be a far left ticket on the other side in all likelihood.

This board is in denial of the political realities.

There is zero chance something Massie and this board would love ever get passed. Like zero chance.

They just do not have the margins. You have maybe 20 people that would support it.

To actually attempt to "fix" the budget would cause pain the population will just not stand for.

No one would get reelected running on that kind of pain. It would be a disaster.

You can only "fix" this situation with massive changes to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Defense and payments to states.

It will never happen until something breaks or collapses. Nothing will be done pre-emptively. It's political poison.

So we will go on just as we have with increasing deficits and exploding debt. It doesn't matter who is in the White House in that regard.

This is a congressional problem and Congress is a perfect reflection of the voting public.

And guess what happens when something collapses? The prescription will be more spending.

Congress is in the spend business. End of story

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Ok, so you are a TDS infected leftist.


Got it.

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If people won't vote against candidates like Biden or Kamala just because Trump isn't on the ticket, they are braindead Trump cultists and should be called such.

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We could have had DeSantis

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I'm a big fan of DeSantis but we have to face reality. DeSantis does not play in the Rust Belt. For whatever reason he just doesn't get the support needed to win elections. It's not necessarily that people from this region won't vote for him, they just won't get off the couch and go vote when he's on the ticket.

DeSantis does not move crowds.

Democrats move crowds through organization.

The GOP used to be able to move crowds through organization like the Ralph Reed Evangelicals. But that coalition has kind of faded away.

Democrats heard sheep.

GOP heard cats.

Trump has the open can of tuna. DeSantis doesn't.

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Desantis has the balls to shut down Dept of Education in 1st month?

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ED still exists

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Downvote away.

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You are obviously neglecting the real problem here - it is the inherited paralysis in the CONGRESS that is the culprit - Desantis nor anyone else could have overcome that - and MOST would not have the stamina/resources to fight it as hard as Trump is doing.

And the congressional paralysis is a tough nut to crack - I honestly dont see how we get around it without a major upheaval from the population.

to do that - we have to put some sort of restriction on the ELECTION processes - putting 'voting' as a sacred 'right' not a 'plaything'

I would even venture to say we need a system that restricts the privilege to VOTE to ONLY those who have a demonstrated interest in the FUTURE of the USA.

That is not to say that we let people starve - BUT - we should say that a VOTE is an action taken for improving the FUTURE - and the most important object in THAT future is our CHILDREN - it is the children who have to LIVE in the morass we leave them via our votes.

What we are doing NOW is emphasizing the importance of the PRESENT in our solicitation of voting - which is boiling down to nothing but an appeal to the INDIGENT to come out in droves to 'vote' for getting MORE OF THE PIE that other people have to make for them.

When our constitution was created, the overwhelming majority of the population lived by the adage - "take care to leave the country better for your offspring."

For the past half century we have emphasized - "LIVE IT UP NOW!!! - let the rich pay for it - and who gives a shite about the kids - hell don't even have 'em!!"

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Desantis would have never DOGEd.

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The cuts that aren't in BBB that Trump endorsed? Those DOGE Cuts?

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USAID would still be funding democrat policies.

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Its fully funded in BBB, isn't it?

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Israel-first Desantis would have us fully engaged attacking all of Israel's enemies.

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Maybe. That is an aspect of him I dislike.

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He wouldn't renegotiate trade deals in our favor.

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Trump has how many trade deals done? Throwing a 10% tariff on everything is negotiating

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I seriously doubt he would even fight DEI like Trump. Desantis would ban DEI in government and that would be it. He wouldn't actually pursue its dismantling like Trump.

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DeSantis has probably been the single most effective anti-DEI politician in the country.

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Then it makes no sense to support Desantis. He would never challenge the status quo like Trump has.

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Trump challenges it one day and then changes his mind and goes along with it the next. That is his problem.

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Democrats heard sheep.

GOP heard cats.

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What a GREAT description - I will CERTAINLY use that - never heard it expressed that way before -

again :bow:

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really do not understand how we ended up with so many gaping vaginas posting on this site..

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Well it all began when you created your account