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re: WATCH THREAD | DeSantis vs Newsom | The Great Red vs. Blue State Debate | Fox News

Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:08 pm to
Posted by Figgy
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:08 pm to
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I hope he can bring his A game.


I think he'll do well in explaining policy differences and the results coming from it. What I'm completely unsure of is his ability to sell it well in this environment. Gavin is slime but he knows how to play this game.

I keep coming back to Kennedy vs Nixon. People listening on the radio thought Nixon won. People watching saw a clear victory for Kennedy. Charisma matters to a viewing audience.
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:13 pm to
I think the differences between the self-awareness of those people then and the vast majority of these we see now can barely be put into words. Particularly with the likes of Newsom, arrogance has engulfed and overwhelmed them, so much so as to disallow any level of rational thinking…..much less contingency planning in the event of failure or adversity. They have no idea that failure is a distinct possibility. That last part is why they always seem to be shooting from the hip.
This post was edited on 11/30/23 at 6:14 pm
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:15 pm to
Who says this is going to make Ron the nominee? It is an important debate between the top red and blue states though.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:15 pm to
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What I'm completely unsure of is his ability to sell it well in this environment. Gavin is slime but he knows how to play this game.



Yep. Hopefully Ron picks up some tips on salesmanship tonight.
Posted by Chorizo chang
Statesboro
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:16 pm to
You have to assume Ron has prepped for this as though he could end up reading his political obituary in the morning. He knows good and well what hes up against. Im pretty intrigued to see what his A game looks like in this situation
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:17 pm to
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important debate between the top red and blue states though.


No it’s not. Florida will go Red to Trump and Dems will get Cali.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:18 pm to
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No it’s not. Florida will go Red to Trump and Dems will get Cali.

Policy differences and trying to convert people to the right is meaningless right. Come on, you know exactly what I meant.
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:18 pm to
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I just think it’s okay for politicians of all levels to debate each other publicly for any reason. Even outside elections. Let’s have some public discourse. Let’s talk about competing ideologies. Let’s get it on instead of sniping at each other from the gutters. Face your accusers.


Could not agree more. More speech not less.
Posted by momentoftruth87
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:20 pm to
It will convert nobody. People are again voting for or against Trump.
Posted by NCIS_76
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:20 pm to
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I keep coming back to Kennedy vs Nixon. People listening on the radio thought Nixon won. People watching saw a clear victory for Kennedy. Charisma matters to a viewing audience


You can guarantee Newsome will throw low blows to Ron. I’d rather hear about policy and what you WILL do. Call out the Democrats! Their schite is not working and never will for the country. If Ron wants to be the big guy, tonight is where he needs to stand up.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:21 pm to
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It will convert nobody. People are again voting for or against Trump.



You sound worried for some reason. Like people might start noticing policy or something.
This post was edited on 11/30/23 at 6:22 pm
Posted by NCIS_76
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:22 pm to
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No it’s not. Florida will go Red to Trump and Dems will get Cali


Are you a Democrat?
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
71510 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:22 pm to
Not at all, just like I’ve always said we don’t need you because you won’t be voting for him.

“Voted for him twice!!”
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
11218 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:22 pm to
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Yet still lacks the nads to announce his candidacy

He’s not going to be a primary candidate, they’re just going to give him the nomination when Biden drops out due to health issues.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:25 pm to
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Particularly with the likes of Newsom, arrogance has engulfed and overwhelmed them, so much so as to disallow any level of rational thinking…..much less contingency planning in the event of failure or adversit


WTF are you talking about?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260970 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:25 pm to
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He’s not going to be a primary candidate, they’re just going to give him the nomination when Biden drops out due to health issues.


Bingo.

Posted by 14&Counting
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:26 pm to
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It will convert nobody. People are again voting for or against Trump.




Why are you so desperate to see DeSantis fail?
Posted by The Pirate King
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:26 pm to
Why are the 3rd choices debating?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:27 pm to
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Why are the 3rd choices debating?


One above them is chickenshit and will not. Someone has to.
Posted by NCIS_76
Member since Jan 2021
5246 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:27 pm to
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He’s not going to be a primary candidate, they’re just going to give him the nomination when Biden drops out due to health issues.


They walk Newsome in at the last minute to where his record as governing will not be checked.

Knee jerk reaction as far as voting for him. Many will not know about his failure. They will vote only because he’s a democrat.
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