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re: Was the "animals" meme the most dishonest media moment of the Trump presidency?

Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:46 am to
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:46 am to
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and you want to turn editorial opinions into lies to discredit him


No, I’m not talking about his opinions. He can have whatever opinion he wants. He supports those opinions with lies presented as fact. That’s the issue. And apparently you’re a-okay with that?
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:46 am to
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You’ve been backpedaling, moving the goalposts,
My goalpost is the same as on page 1

The left ran with a coordinated lie they knew to be false when they ran with it and every major outlet was involved.

You wanted the goal posts to be somewhere else. That's a you problem
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:48 am to
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rather than recognize that one can be worse than the other.



Even if one is worse than the other, is that justification to focus only on one while ignoring the other?

Also there are plenty of liberal media one off lies that y’all post on here and run with that are not coordinated. If you’re so worried about media honesty then why post those but not the right wing equivalent?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:50 am to
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And apparently you’re a-okay with that?


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and i haven't watched Tucker live in months, maybe a year.


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Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:51 am to
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Even if one is worse than the other,
Say it. Come on. You can do it. Say it.

One is worse than the other. By a LOT.

You can do it. I know you can.

Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:52 am to
I’ve never said it wasn’t worse
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:53 am to
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I’ve never said it wasn’t worse


So, for clarity.

What happened was far worse than your examples thus far. Correct?
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:55 am to
Well at the very least you seem to be saying it’s less bad because it’s an editorial show?

And also I can’t seem to get any of you to explain why you only start threads about liberal media impropriety if you’re truly so concerned about media honesty.
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:56 am to
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Well at the very least you seem to be saying it’s less bad because it’s an editorial show?

Is this deniable?

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And also I can’t seem to get any of you to explain why you only start threads about liberal media impropriety if you’re truly so concerned about media honesty.


As soon as you show me anything similar to what happened here(or Russia Hillary Emails or Dark Speech or They're Rapists), I will happily point out that shite is fricked up too!
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:56 am to
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What happened was far worse than your examples thus far. Correct?


Sure. But that having been said there is coordinating in the right wing media as well. WSJ-Fox-Talk radio specifically.

I would also disagree that it’s FAR worse. Somewhat worse though, yes.
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:58 am to
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What happened was far worse than your examples thus far. Correct?
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Sure.


Thank you.

We're done here.

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But

No buts needed

Thanks. Only took ya 15 pages

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I would also disagree that it’s FAR worse. Somewhat worse though, yes.



Crawfishes in the same post!
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:58 am to
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Is this deniable?



Yes because a lot of people tune into those shows and accept that if Tucker or Rush or whoever state something as fact then in their minds it’s fact.

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I will happily point out that shite is fricked up too!


Why do I have to go and find it for you. Y’all seem to be up on all the media malfeasance in this country, right? If you were truly concerned about an honest and open media you’d be out there looking for it in all its forms wouldn’t you?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:59 am to
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Well at the very least you seem to be saying it’s less bad because it’s an editorial show?

not really. ignoring the fact that i wasn't talking about him as a bastion of media integrity (so your response is baffling and irrelevant), he's still only one person. he could be the biggest liar in the world, and it's still not comparable to the coordinated DEM-media efforts

if he lied (again, wasn't an issue) then it's bad

but it's not as bad as mass proliferation of talking points/memes after a DEM-media coordination

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And also I can’t seem to get any of you to explain why you only start threads about liberal media impropriety if you’re truly so concerned about media honesty.

show me the mass proliferation of coordinated talking points

i mean shite it may not even possible b/c the have like 4-5 mainstream outlets

i've been openly critical of FNC for years. there is no reason for me to address every issue in ream time b/c i've written them off entirely. outside of watching Tucker making some leftist look idiotic, there is literally no worth in FNC at all

why would you expect me to (a) know the stories to criticize or (b) give them some sort of validation by saying their bullshite is even worthy of criticism?
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:00 pm to
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Yes because a lot of people tune into those shows and accept that if Tucker or Rush or whoever state something as fact then in their minds it’s fact.

Lying as news outlet is worse. This isn't deniable.

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Why do I have to go and find it for you.
Well, I mean.......you TRIED and failed.

So, that's kinda telling.

Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:02 pm to
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there is no reason for me to address every issue in ream time b/c i've written them off entirely.


But yet you seem to have no problem doing this for liberal media?

Have you NOT written off CNN, MSNBC?

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but it's not as bad as mass proliferation of talking points


You don’t think right wing media has talking points??

I suggest you read this book

LINK

Hell, I own it. I’ll mail it you if you want.
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:03 pm to
Basically, sum total of DC this thread.

"Hey, did I tell you that my wife fricked ever neighbor on my street and told me she was attending tupperware parties!"

"Yeah, well MY wife promised me fried chicken last night and we had liver instead".

"Sheesh man, that's kinda not the same"

"What, are you saying lying is only bad if it is YOUR wife!!!".
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:04 pm to
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Well, I mean.......you TRIED and failed.



Right wing media coordination has been going on longer than liberal media coordination, detailed in the book I just linked SFP
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:05 pm to
You’re awfully big on false equivalences
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:06 pm to
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Right wing media coordination has been going on longer than liberal media coordination,


Oh
My
fricking
God

Oh. And, I don't actually care if Rush, Hannity, Maddow, Lemon etc etc coordinate with their respective sides.

Coordination among partisans is pretty common.

Why are you still going?

You've already acknowledged that this was worse than ANY example you've provided.

Take your L and move on
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:07 pm to
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But yet you seem to have no problem doing this for liberal media?

FNC is one outlet

again. you ignore the main issue is the coordination and proliferation across the rest of the media landscape

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You don’t think right wing media has talking points??

i don't think there is any sort of similar mechanism like Journolist was, and nobody has ever found any direct evidence like what Wikileaks actually did. the "right" in the US is way too fractured. if there was a secret coordination chamber, some RINOs/cucks would leak it to the press for good coverage and frick over everyone else
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