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re: Was Russia Promised that Nato Wouldnt Expand to the East on inch?
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:51 am to doubleb
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:51 am to doubleb
quote:That is false of course.
He never threatened to nuke Cuba or Russia.
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It shall be the policy of this Nation to regard any nuclear missile launched from Cuba against any nation in the Western Hemisphere as an attack by the Soviet Union on the United States, requiring a full retaliatory response upon the Soviet Union.
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:51 am to RoosterCogburn585
No.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:53 am to doubleb
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Fortunately for Ukraine the west has said enough is enough and they are making Russia pay dearly this time.
You're a young guy, why don't you join and fight instead of cheerleading over Ukrainian bodies?
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:57 am to NC_Tigah
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It shall be the policy of this Nation to regard any nuclear missile launched from Cuba against any nation in the Western Hemisphere as an attack by the Soviet Union on the United States, requiring a full retaliatory response upon the Soviet Union.
I've made this point several times to one of the Zelensky-bro village idiots and got nothing but a "that's different" response.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:03 pm to NC_Tigah
Mearsheimer was a Bernie Bro. Far Leftist
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:05 pm to NC_Tigah
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And IIRC, Mearsheimer was one of the voices encouraging NATO expansion subsequent to Yeltsin's election.
John Mearsheimer was? That'd be surprising. Regardless, his principles of offensive realism shaped the Wolfowitz Doctrine and then the Bush Doctrine, which is what the US followed more or less since the end of the CW.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:06 pm to Gaspergou202
quote:Comical?
Your attempt to cherry pick 7 years of Russian history is actually comical.
That is interesting.
What other years of Yeltsin's tenure as the first elected Russian President would you choose?
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:10 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Correct. Including during the Yeltsin years, which was our window to bring Russia into the fold, rather than exclude it.
his principles of offensive realism shaped the Wolfowitz Doctrine and then the Bush Doctrine, which is what the US followed more or less since the end of the CW.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:15 pm to Pvt Hudson
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like Russia setting up shop in Indiana.
Or Chyna in DC. Oh, wait.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:28 pm to texas tortilla
I worked in the Former Soviet Empire from 1989 to 1995, with primarily the Interrregional Group of Deputies, and that article is bullshite of the Highest Order.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You're a young guy, why don't you join and fight instead of cheerleading over Ukrainian bodies?
I admire the Ukrainians for standing up against a foreign invader and fighting for their independence. I supports their effort 100%; however, there are limits to my support.
I am way too old to be of much of a contributor on the battlefield despite your support. I’m willing to volunteer my tax dollars to a point though. I’ve seen Russia dominate and bully their neighbors. I’ve “hidden” under my desk in grade school in case Russia attacked. I don’t like of trust Russia whether they are led by Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin or Putin.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:31 pm to CarrolltonTiger
quote:That must have been a hell of an interesting time.
I worked in the Former Soviet Empire from 1989 to 1995, with primarily the Interrregional Group of Deputies
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:32 pm to NC_Tigah
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quote:He never threatened to nuke Cuba or Russia.That is false of course. quote:It shall be the policy of this Nation to regard any nuclear missile launched from Cuba against any nation in the Western Hemisphere as an attack by the Soviet Union on the United States, requiring a full retaliatory response upon the Soviet Union.
He never threatened to nuke them first.
Certainly we all know that once we are attacked by nukes the gloves are off.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:35 pm to Big Gorilla
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Stranger Things have happened.
Well played
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:39 pm to doubleb
quote:Yeah, actually he did.
He never threatened to nuke them first.
The USSR ceded local control to tactical nukes amidst the coastal batteries. We did not know those were in place. Nor were we aware of the C&C directives.
Had the US Navy encroached, and one or more of those shells fired in response without Kremlin orders, our "retaliation" would have comprised a first strike against the USSR.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:42 pm to doubleb
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I am way too old to be of much of a contributor on the battlefield despite your support.
I would 100% support a national referendum on war and support of war where it would have to be voted on by the public, with majority approval, and every individual that votes for war has to be put on the lines to fight. That includes politicians, bureaucrats and sitting presidents.
People love cheerleader wars, but they cry like a baby when bullets fly around them, and want the war to end.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:44 pm to NC_Tigah
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He never threatened to nuke them first.Yeah, actually he did. The USSR ceded local control to tactical nukes amidst the coastal batteries. We did not know those were in place. Nor were we aware of the C&C directives. Had the US Navy encroached, and one or more of those shells fired in response without Kremlin orders, our "retaliation" would have comprised a first strike against the USSR.
Sure, after nukes were fired at our people.
JFK never said he’d fire first.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:46 pm to NC_Tigah
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Correct. Including during the Yeltsin years, which was our window to bring Russia into the fold, rather than exclude it.
I'm really skeptical the degree to which Russia had market liberals who would have won the power struggle between right and left wings, both of whom had revanchist aspirations. That was the way forward with respect to integration, and Russia turned its back on that sort of integration many times.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:49 pm to doubleb
quote:But not from, or necessarily by, the USSR. Yet our retaliation would constitute a first strike against the USSR.
Sure, after nukes were fired at our people.
It just goes to show how quickly these things can get out of hand. The DoD focus was entirely on Cuban missiles.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:50 pm to doubleb
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Sure, after nukes were fired at our people.
JFK never said he’d fire first.
We moved missiles into Turkey and tried to overthrow Cuba's government.
The truth is, you just accept the double standards.
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