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re: War Room guest Steve Cortes says AI is beginning to negatively affect employment in US
Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:08 pm to SallysHuman
Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:08 pm to SallysHuman
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Elevator operators and Otis.
LOL
The Otis Elevator Operator Fallacy, where we compare todays rapid, exponential, AI job displacement to one example of automation from a 100 years ago. Because going from elevator attendant to "AI Humanoid robot doing precision welding" and "AI doing legal analysis" is as great apples to apples shift.
Yes, the "Technology has always displaced jobs and created new ones and we'll adjust like we always have and if things get too tight we'll limit foreign workers!'
Except this time this speed of disruption has never been seen before, we're not replacing one job type every decade or so but replacing entire industries at once. We're really going to tell truckers, paralegals, warehouse workers, radiologist, cashiers, translators and customer service workers (just to name a few) to switch over to model fine tuners, AI safety researchers, prompt engineers, and robotics QA experts?
Sure we replaced the telephone switchboard operators in 50 years, but this time we have less than 5 years and people are pretending we have 50 because 'we always adapt'
You're either unfamiliar with this technology, like deeply unfamiliar, or your clinging to some nostalgic past resilience that doesn't apply today.
AI is already taking jobs and AI powered humanoid robots are coming in the Q4 of this year to start taking the blue collar jobs
AI will be THE issue of the 2028 election if not the midterms
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:13 pm to BlueFalcon
It’s time to start fining companies who send jobs overseas that Americans can perform. Tax the hell out of a company that creates work in another country for the sole purpose of avoiding paying the higher wages demanded by American workers or tie the tax to any foreign worker who touches work that directly and/or indirectly creates a product or service to the American market.
This post was edited on 6/27/25 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:22 pm to BlueFalcon
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You're either unfamiliar with this technology, like deeply unfamiliar, or your clinging to some nostalgic past resilience that doesn't apply today.
AI is already taking jobs and AI powered humanoid robots are coming in the Q4 of this year to start taking the blue collar jobs
So firstly there is no power available to do any of that.
The big AI companies are lobbying for, restarting, and building new nuclear plants.
Just for the data processing.
Do you think we have the power, the raw materials, the chips to robot our industries?
China isn't going to give us access to the rare earths needed.
Those robots aren't cheap, and we cant make them by the millions.
We cant recharge them all.
Power is expensive.
Takes almost 10 years to get a nuke plant fully up.
Blue collar will be slow, may never fully happen, it may be 1 human to 3 robots in a warehouse, but fully automated never works.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:23 pm to SallysHuman
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There's always going to be employment displacement... and there's always going to be growth elsewhere to make up for it.
The sky will not fall.
This is 100% accurate.
but
There is no way to project how long the timeline between prosperity gaps.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:28 pm to SallysHuman
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There's always going to be employment displacement... and there's always going to be growth elsewhere to make up for it.
One day the train ride ends. AI is end of the road
Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:30 pm to oldskule
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Elon was worried about this
Like him or dismiss him as a goof, but this has been Andrew Yang’s primary issue he’s campaigned on in the past. Ive pondered it constantly ever since. Between AI, robotics, and self driving cars/tractor trailers, I honestly dont know how countries will combat this shite. You’re talking tens of millions of jobs
Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:35 pm to Chorizo chang
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You’re talking tens of millions of jobs
Space exploration, moon colony, gas extraction.
Mars colony.
Tens of billions of jobs
Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:38 pm to Narax
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Space exploration, moon colony, gas extraction. Mars colony. Tens of billions of jobs
This.
All's we know is what we have in the moment.. I think a lot of these fears are driven by not realizing that new, as-yet-unheard-of careers and employment fields will come along, as they always have.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:39 pm to Bass Tiger
For those freaking out about mass unemployment.
Universal Basic Income.
Universal Basic Income.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:46 pm to Narax
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So firstly there is no power available to do any of that.
The big AI companies are lobbying for, restarting, and building new nuclear plants.
Just for the data processing.
Do you think we have the power, the raw materials, the chips to robot our industries?
China isn't going to give us access to the rare earths needed.
Those robots aren't cheap, and we cant make them by the millions.
We cant recharge them all.
Power is expensive.
Takes almost 10 years to get a nuke plant fully up.
Blue collar will be slow, may never fully happen, it may be 1 human to 3 robots in a warehouse, but fully automated never works.
Power is being scaled up just for it, not just powerplants but infrastructure to carry it. We currently have 12 nuclear powerplants are currently in the process of being built and with SMRs, which can fit in a Conex trailer and power a whole town or huge factory I don't see this slowing AI down for long.
Tesla's Optimus Bots use ~100W during operation, so about the same as a lightbulb
The robots are looking like they're going to cost $20,000/each for the really high end ones which is less than the yearly salary alone for the workers they'll be replacing
Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:46 pm to Tiger985
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You're in denial. The world is in a period of transition unlike anything ever experienced in human history. Something that will make the industrial revolution look like a non event. Absent some sort of natural cataclysm that might ironically set back the technological clock, the human era is ending. The darkest predictions are likely not dark enough.
Even as of 2024, I was hesitant about how far AI would go in the near future, and figured it would be 15 years before thimgs were really revolutionized. But Ive gotten back to messing aroubd with AI the past few months and it’s so much better than a couple of years ago. I use Perplexity as my search engine now, and it is a great tool for my job.
The rapid advancement has me thinking (and a lot of the experts have said) there may be something like AGI by 2027. So the world is going to have some big changes rather rapidly which is going to seem scary for a bit.
But overall Im optimistic about the AI revolution. Maybe I have to be because the alternative is super dark, haha. But I dont fear any terminator or extinction event. I dont see why a super intelligent computer (or even species of computers) would feel any need to turn against humans.
The biggest change of all, and the thing to watch, is how does humanity adjust to objectively no longer being the smartest beings on the planet anymore. I think it’s fine and all things will balance out as they should and the advanced texhology of machine learning is going to open up all possibilities which will benefit humans and the planet.
But how many humans will feel threatened and panic and turn to revolt in the streets? It could be a wild ride the next few years.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 2:04 pm to BlueFalcon
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Tesla's Optimus Bots use ~100W during operation, so about the same as a lightbulb
Be honest.
100 W/hr Standing
500 W/hr walking.
Lifting would be drastically more.
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Power is being scaled up just for it, not just powerplants but infrastructure to carry it. We currently have 12 nuclear powerplants are currently in the process of being built and with SMRs, which can fit in a Conex trailer and power a whole town or huge factory I don't see this slowing AI down for long.
You are mixing types of power plants.
12 plants of the small type are nothing.
Check how much power an AI center uses.
We need tens of thousands, or hundreds of large non portable ones.
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The robots are looking like they're going to cost $20,000/each for the really high end ones which is less than the yearly salary alone for the workers they'll be replacing
Add in purchasing markup of 30%
Plus power.
They have to recharge every 4.6 hours after just walking.(so you need 2x per worker)
Your factory now needs even more power, charging stations, UPS etc...
There is a difference between having knowledge and data.
You can throw all the data you want out, it's out of context since you don't have knowledge.
Could you design and build an AI robot factory?
I don't think you could.
This post was edited on 6/27/25 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 6/27/25 at 2:15 pm to bodask42
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Even as of 2024, I was hesitant about how far AI would go in the near future, and figured it would be 15 years before thimgs were really revolutionized. But Ive gotten back to messing aroubd with AI the past few months and it’s so much better than a couple of years ago. I use Perplexity as my search engine now, and it is a great tool for my job.
The rapid advancement has me thinking (and a lot of the experts have said) there may be something like AGI by 2027. So the world is going to have some big changes rather rapidly which is going to seem scary for a bit.
But overall Im optimistic about the AI revolution. Maybe I have to be because the alternative is super dark, haha. But I dont fear any terminator or extinction event. I dont see why a super intelligent computer (or even species of computers) would feel any need to turn against humans.
The biggest change of all, and the thing to watch, is how does humanity adjust to objectively no longer being the smartest beings on the planet anymore. I think it’s fine and all things will balance out as they should and the advanced texhology of machine learning is going to open up all possibilities which will benefit humans and the planet.
But how many humans will feel threatened and panic and turn to revolt in the streets? It could be a wild ride the next few years.
I think you're right about that, while we'll certainly get AGI (if we don't already have it) and ASI, I don't think we'll ever get a truly 'sentient' AI
That said, to pretend it's going to be just another hiccup and we'll adapt and that it will 'create jobs as it displaces them' just doesn't fit with what we're seeing. Personally I think we're at the 'peak' jobs right now, where the AI industry is creating jobs but hasn't started displacing them en masse just yet
As for riots in the streets, if we get to Unemployment north of 8% we'll see things get bad, especially in the cities but hopefully we have some kind of plan in place long before that
Posted on 6/27/25 at 2:18 pm to Narax
The grid in places like NYC can't even handle a hot summer day
Posted on 6/27/25 at 2:18 pm to BlueFalcon
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while we'll certainly get AGI (if we don't already have it)
We don't have it and we don't have a clear path to it.
Maybe Quantum AI.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 2:19 pm to Bass Tiger
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All three companies cited advances in automation and AI, many of the positions that have been eliminated are white collar.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 2:22 pm to BlueFalcon
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exponential
The tell for AI buzzword bullshite.
I use it every day. It's a great tool. It's also not a replacement for people who know what they are doing, it's obvious when it's been used without checking, and it's being used an excuse for layoffs or outsourcing.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 2:24 pm to GetMeOutOfHere
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outsourcing
AI = Actually Indians.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 2:25 pm to TigersHuskers
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AI = Actually Indians.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 2:47 pm to TigersHuskers
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I'm surprised in 2025 the majority of freight trains are not being operated 100% remotely and autonomous.
They can barely get simple shite to work right at the railroad. Trust me I used to work there.
I worked for the CN&W/UP Maintenance of Way for 10 years, 1979-1989. I remember when each train had 3-4 crewmen with a caboose....then came FRED.
Here's what Google AI says,
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Yes, trains are being run remotely across the US, specifically referring to Remote-Control Locomotives (RCLs).
Here's a breakdown of how it's happening and what it means:
RCL technology:
Certified employees use body-worn remote control systems to operate trains, even from a distance of half a mile.
Expansion of use: While initially envisioned for use within rail yards, railroads are now operating remote trains between yards and through residential and commercial areas.
Purpose: The railroad industry sees this expansion as a way to cut costs and increase efficiency, allowing for longer and heavier trains
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Safety Concerns: There are significant concerns being raised about the safety of this technology, especially as it's used more extensively outside of rail yards.
Workers and unions argue it's impossible for operators to see all sides of the train and surrounding area, leading to accidents and fatalities.
Hazards: Remote trains sometimes carry hazardous materials, raising additional safety concerns when they operate near communities.
Regulatory Review: The Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) is reviewing remote operations due to a series of accidents. However, the FRA previously stated they had no specific concerns with remote operators.
In summary, remote control trains are a reality in the US and are being increasingly used, with both potential benefits and significant safety concerns.
This post was edited on 6/27/25 at 2:51 pm
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