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re: War Officially ERUPTS In Iran - Will The US and/or Israel Protect the PEOPLE?
Posted on 1/9/26 at 4:56 pm to BayouBengal51
Posted on 1/9/26 at 4:56 pm to BayouBengal51
now burn those buildings
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Posted on 1/9/26 at 5:05 pm to KiwiHead
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Why any of them? Iranians brought these mullahs to power. They did so consciously and with really no outside help at the time......let them get rid of the mullahs on their own
I agree they need to handle it themselves. But they had help from the democrats in 1979.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:33 pm to TheOtherWhiteMeat
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Did you take a red pill this morning? This is like the 2nd time I've agreed with you today, it makes me feel like I'm in an alternate reality.
My opinions don't change much. I'm not saying this to be a dick, but I'm a conservative, I'm not a populist. My opinions don't change much because they are predicated on foundational principles that don't change much.
Populism does not have any of those except Us vs Them, which means they could be all over the place depending on the perception of who "them" is on any given day.
When it comes to foreign policy I historically almost always agree with Trump.
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I've agreed with you
Try it. You'll like it.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:41 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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My argument is not advocating for inaction.
Then you say this...
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The argument here is the situation in Iran — and by extension the Middle East — does not necessitate U.S. intervention.
So how do we act without intervening?
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Again, as we’ve seen repeatedly from past U.S. interventions, the repercussions can often lead to unforeseen consequences.
Again, how do you know the consequences were unforeseen? How do you know that it didn't work out 100% according to plan? How do you even know what the goal of the intervention was?
You keep making these statements that assume you know things you don't know, I keep pointing it out, and your only response it to make the statements again.
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My whole point is we must learn from history and allow these regional players in the Middle East manage their own affairs. To quote George Santayana, “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
How do you know that history hasn't worked out exactly the way we wanted it to work out? How do you know that we aren't repeating the same actions because we're batting a thousand?
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:54 pm to wackatimesthree
Posted on 1/10/26 at 7:57 am to wackatimesthree
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My argument is not advocating for inaction.
Then you say this...
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The argument here is the situation in Iran — and by extension the Middle East — does not necessitate U.S. intervention.
So how do we act without intervening?
My stance is clear: strategically empowering the other regional powers in the Middle East to assume responsibility for their own destiny is a proactive solution to the situation in Iran. The autonomous nations of Israel, Saudi Arabia and Turkey are fully capable of working together to contain Iranian aggression.
Whatever Cold War geopolitical calculations once necessitated a permanent U.S. presence in the Middle East have long since dissipated. It’s long past time to stop promoting the absurd notion that the braintrust in the Potomac Beltway has the wisdom or forbearance to solve the region’s problems from from afar.
Posted on 1/10/26 at 8:03 am to dgnx6
That is simply not true. People like to dump on Carter, but he did not withdraw aid until early January of 1979 when the Shah had lost all control and whole army units were defecting.
Posted on 1/10/26 at 9:40 am to Toomer Deplorable
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My stance is clear: strategically empowering the other regional powers in the Middle East to assume responsibility for their own destiny is a proactive solution to the situation in Iran.
By doing what? Sending financial aid to Israel, for example?
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The autonomous nations of Israel, Saudi Arabia and Turkey are fully capable of working together to contain Iranian aggression.
But that doesn't mean they'll do so in a way that is maximally beneficial to the US.
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Whatever Cold War geopolitical calculations once necessitated a permanent U.S. presence in the Middle East have long since dissipated.
According to you and your criteria and the outcomes that you would like to see. But the point you refuse to admit (it can't be that you don't understand it...as many times as I have repeated it you'd have to be absolutely stupid to not understand it) is that those who make decisions like that may have entirely different criteria, want entirely different outcomes, and be looking for entirely different actions.
Just because Toomer Deplorable declares something about the state of the Middle East, that doesn't mean anything in context.
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It’s long past time to stop promoting the absurd notion that the braintrust in the Potomac Beltway has the wisdom or forbearance to solve the region’s problems from from afar.
To the satisfaction of Toomer Deplorable, according to his criteria.
They may be achieving their own goals just fine.
I can tell you this, the chances that their goals are "to solve the region's problems" are approaching zero. Trump's not making noise about acquiring Greenland for the benefit of the native Greenlanders.
Like all foreign policy decisions, the goal is to benefit America. Not "solve problems" for the people in the region.
I don't know what that means specifically and neither do you, but I know at least that that broad statement is true.
Posted on 1/10/26 at 10:05 am to Toomer Deplorable
New Zealanders LOVE their sheep. Just sayin...
Posted on 1/10/26 at 11:32 am to wackatimesthree
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By doing what? Sending financial aid to Israel, for example?
It is a non sequitur. I am promoting more autonomy for Israel, not more dependency.
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But that doesn't mean they'll do so in a way that is maximally beneficial to the US.
Again, this is a non sequitur since I have never claimed that these regional powers would necessarily align with the ever shifting foreign policy positions of the United States.
My primary argument is that the U.S. should strategically extract itself from the region and cease its repeated failed attempts to dictate winners and losers in these ancient sectarian rivalries.
Such a strategic withdrawal would allow these nations to manage their own affairs without the inherent complications and disastrous outcomes that U.S. intervention has historically wrought.
Posted on 1/10/26 at 1:18 pm to Don Quixote
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minnesomalia
Posted on 1/10/26 at 5:05 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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Again, this is a non sequitur since I have never claimed that these regional powers would necessarily align with the ever shifting foreign policy positions of the United States.
My primary argument is that the U.S. should strategically extract itself from the region and cease its repeated failed attempts to dictate winners and losers in these ancient sectarian rivalries.
Such a strategic withdrawal would allow these nations to manage their own affairs without the inherent complications and disastrous outcomes that U.S. intervention has historically wrought.
It's fine. We've all been there.
We post something and double and triple down so many times that by the time we figure out what the other guy is saying (because we were so focused on what WE were saying rather than listening to the other guy) and realize that he's successfully argued against what we've been saying the whole time, pride won't let us back down.
I mean, it's either that or you really are kind of slow.
Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I'll leave it with you.
Posted on 1/10/26 at 5:28 pm to Timeoday
I was 14 years old when those assholes took over Iran and changed the world. I hope they revolt and kill every member of that regime. They are absolutely evil.
The bigger question is how do we go about normalizing relations and helping them return to being a free society. Do we just forgive and forget. They have an incredible amount of American blood on their hands.
The bigger question is how do we go about normalizing relations and helping them return to being a free society. Do we just forgive and forget. They have an incredible amount of American blood on their hands.
Posted on 1/10/26 at 6:56 pm to LSUwag
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The bigger question is how do we go about normalizing relations and helping them return to being a free society. Do we just forgive and forget. They have an incredible amount of American blood on their hands.
I believe they must understand if they want our help, it will cost them resources and continued nuclear non-proliferation. Simple as that. A pro-western Iran is a real nice place to be.
Posted on 1/10/26 at 7:49 pm to wackatimesthree
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We post something and double and triple down so many times that by the time we figure out what the other guy is saying (because we were so focused on what WE were saying rather than listening to the other guy) and realize that he's successfully argued against what we've been saying the whole time, pride won't let us back down.
I mean, it's either that or you really are kind of slow.
Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I'll leave it with you.
I’ve made my point clearly and succinctly while you have veered the conversation into non sequiturs and irrelevant tangents. Your ad hominem attacks clearly reveal that this discussion is less about substance and has simply become a means for you to vent your frustration at being unable to present a coherent counterpoint.
So yes. I certainly have been down this path with you before and I am reminded once again that any attempt at meaningful engagement with you is a Sisyphean exercise in utter futility.
This post was edited on 1/10/26 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 1/10/26 at 8:07 pm to LSUwag
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They have an incredible amount of American blood on their hands.
As does the President of Syria, the former head of the al-Nusra Front.
Suffice it to say, it is interesting times when the President of the United States welcomes a man into the Oval Office whose photograph once hung in U.S. post offices.
Posted on 1/10/26 at 8:09 pm to GRTiger
Yes.. and 35% of our country is too fricking stupid to see it. The world is finally having a very hard reset.
Posted on 1/10/26 at 8:38 pm to FLTech
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The world is finally having a very hard reset.
Iran is a majority Shiite nation. Outside of extermination, no “political” reset is going to magically erase the immense sectarian divide that exists between the citizens of Iran and it’s Sunni Gulf neighbors.
Though pre-revolutionary Iran under the Shah had a secular government which kept internal Shia-Sunni tensions subdued, that genie is out of the bottle. The Islamic Republic has spent nearly 50 years building cultural institutions that have fundamentally transformed Iran’s national identity into a Shia theocracy.
This post was edited on 1/10/26 at 8:39 pm
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