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Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:11 pm to Tiger5750
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very obviously a quid pro quo.
Ummm, most dealings with a foreign government are quid pro quo if you think about it.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:11 pm to buckeye_vol
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I didn't contradict myself. The article only shows that Trump offered assistance, and they only make claims regarding that.
Do you know what the phrase Quid pro Quo literally means?
LOL.
Read the headline again.
Sheesh
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:12 pm to Turbeauxdog
quote:And that allegation, whether true or not, is being made by people who have the power to impeach the president, which makes reporting on their allegations important.
Because the allegation is trump offered aid in return for investigation.
quote:Except when I read the article I did not even think that "this definitely supports quid pro quo," let alone felt like I was being persuaded.
The liars at the wapo are trying to deceive people into believing that happened.
In fact, I found the article to be far more factual and objective, than like 99% of the articles that have been presented on the manner (often usually opinions).
I just think of all the articles out there to highlight deceptions and lies, this is a terrible example.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:13 pm to buckeye_vol
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And that allegation, whether true or not, is being made by people who have the power to impeach the president, which makes reporting on their allegations important.
The headline says it happened. It doesn't say it was alleged. It says it happened.
Which. Is a lie.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:13 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:They state that he offered quid pro quo, which he didn’t, which makes the title a blatant lie.
I didn't contradict myself. The article only shows that Trump offered assistance, and they only make claims regarding that.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:14 pm to Scruffy
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They state that he offered quid pro quo, which he didn’t, which makes the title a blatant lie.
I can only assume that vol doesn't know that Quid pro Quo means "this for that"
I mean. The headline literally parrots quid-pro-quo
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:15 pm to ShortyRob
quote:Yeah. I scratch your back, if you scratch mine.
Do you know what the phrase Quid pro Quo literally means?
quote:OK? Here it is:
Read the headline again.
quote:So clearly Trump offered to scratch Zelensky's back, but I don't see anything about getting Trump's back scratched in return.
Trump offered Ukrainian president Justice Dept. help for Biden investigation, memo shows
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:16 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
Shows him offering US assistance(QUID) - for - Biden Investigation(THAT)
You fricking idiot
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:17 pm to buckeye_vol
Trump offered Ukrainian president Justice Dept. help(QUID) for Biden investigation(QUO), memo shows
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:22 pm to ShortyRob
quote:OK. Let's compare the headline with another recent one where Trump offers help to a nation, but for a completely unrelated manor.
I mean. The headline literally parrots quid-pro-quo
Here is the WaPo headline:
quote:Here is one from The Hill about Trump sending help to the Bahamas after Hurricane Dorian:
Trump offered Ukrainian president Justice Dept. help for Biden investigation, memo shows
quote:Both headlines reference Trump helping a foreign nation and neither references Trump requesting or demanding something in return.
Trump says US is 'sending crews' to help Bahamas after Hurricane Dorian
So if the WaPo article is parroting QPQ then The Hill article must be as well.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:23 pm to More&Les
It's not like anyone who reads WaPo would have come to a different conclusion. What a joke.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:25 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:Holy shite, you should feel bad.
Both headlines reference Trump helping a foreign nation and neither references Trump requesting or demanding something in return.
quote:=/= QUO
help Bahamas after Hurricane Dorian
quote:
Biden investigation, memo shows
One requires an act in return. One does not.
Jeebus. Do better. I get it. You're gonna go like 40 pages pretending what is isn't.
But, I'm gonna laugh at you for 40.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:26 pm to Tiger5750
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He’s saying, if you want US-Ukraine relations to stay good, I need a favor. The Trump Cult is real. It’s embarrassing
Have to use some serious mental gymnastics to come to that conclusion. What will they say when Barr gets the server and the DNC and HRC shenanigans in 2016 are exposed.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:28 pm to ShortyRob
quote:Ummmm. The memos clearly show exactly what the headline states. So you're arguing that IT IS quid pro quo, while i'm arguing that offering merely help to investigate Biden DOES NOT support that in and of itself.
Trump offered Ukrainian president Justice Dept. help(QUID) for Biden investigation(QUO), memo shows
So ironically you're supporting the D's claims, while I'm arguing against them based on this information.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:32 pm to ShortyRob
quote:How does offering assistance to investigate potential crimes constitute an act in return other than the mutual benefit of its purpose? What exactly is Trump getting in return, and how is that any different than helping any other party investigate a crime?
One requires an act in return
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:34 pm to buckeye_vol
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This has about as much verifiable and objective evidence as Trump doing the same to investigate Biden.
So here we have a case study in Buckeye_vol, of someone who is totally unaware that Joe Biden is actually on video admitting to engaging in a quid pro quo. Probably watches MSNBC or CNN, both networks who just conveniently haven't shared the proof with their viewers.
Let's follow, then watch the video, shall we?
1) Biden confronts Ukraine officials and demands that they fire prosecutor investigating his son.
2) Biden threatens that if they do not fire the prosecutor, that he will withhold American taxpayer funded foreign aid.
3) Joe Biden gives them 6 hours to fire the prosecutor, or they "aren't getting the money".
See video evidence here:
JOE 30338
After watching, reevaluate where you get your information.
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:47 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
I just think of all the articles out there to highlight deceptions and lies, this is a terrible example.
Not interested in ranking deception just pointing out this is more of it.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:48 pm to buckeye_vol
You don't care about unfounded accusations against Trump.
Who do you think you are fooling?
Who do you think you are fooling?
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:53 pm to TSmith
quote:This is where the lack of verifiable evidence lies. In fact, the Ukrainian government recently stated that Biden was not under investigation. And this prosecutor who was widely considered corrupt himself, part of a broader issue of Ukranian corruption, which is the "official" reason for his ousting. And it was not just the United States calling for his removal, it was a slew of nations and organizations.
prosecutor investigating his son.
quote:Which would probably not be problematic if it was for the purpose of getting rid of corruption (which other nations were trying to have removed as well), although it would be problematic if it was to protect his son.
2) Biden threatens that if they do not fire the prosecutor, that he will withhold American taxpayer funded foreign aid.
quote:And Biden is either lying or mistaken regarding the details because he wasn't removed from office until he was removed by Parliament nearly 4 months later and after getting pressure from other nations and the IMF.
Joe Biden gives them 6 hours to fire the prosecutor, or they "aren't getting the money"
quote:Should I start getting my information from random YouTubers?
After watching, reevaluate where you get your information.
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