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re: WaPo Outright Lie of a Headline: Transcript Shows QPQ

Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:33 am to
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:33 am to
and

'the walls are closing in around Trump'

'the noose is tightening around Trump's neck'



(Crossfire Hurricane) Comey/Mccabe's code operation for get Trump, was not in the mainstream yet.

and this one was all people needed to really see that the Democrats are the MSmedia.

Posted by Rhino67
Member since Nov 2015
791 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:34 am to
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Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:35 am to
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Outright Lie of a Headline


every 3rd TD thread about dems.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56524 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:38 am to
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Trump said he would have Barr and Guiliani get in touch with him. That’s offering the assistance of two US officials.


Nothing about it implies a quid pro quo, however.

If you don't think that there are reasons for the DoJ to be at least slightly interested in the alleged actions that some actors have taken in Ukraine, then you are absolutely delusional.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
40921 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:41 am to
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The cult of Trump is embarrassing to this country.


What's embarrassing is a Vice President threatening a country so that a prosecutor is fired, the very same prosecutor who was investigating the very company the VP's son was getting $83k/month from and then bragged about it on TV, yet people like you are more concerned with Trump wanting it investigated without interference.
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 11:44 am
Posted by Tiger5750
Member since Feb 2017
43 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:46 am to
“The other thing, there's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.”

It’s like YOU can’t even read
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35373 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:49 am to
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"Transcript.... Shows him offering US assistance for Biden Investigation"
Besides not being a transcript (which they correctly refer to as a memo in the headline), how is this a lie?

Here is a direct quote from the memo:
quote:

I will have Mr. Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to have Attorney General Barr call and we will get to·the bottom of it.
And another one:
quote:

a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.
How else would describe "having the AG and Rudy call him so that WE can get to the bottom of it," and "whatever you can do WITH the AG" as anything but offering assistance?

Now maybe having Rudy, as someone who outside of government, is a little unusual. However, merely offering the assistance of the AG, the head of the nation's department that investigates and enforces criminal laws, to help an investigation isn't a big deal in and of itself at all.

Regardless, I don't know how you can say that the article is a lie.
Posted by TSmith
New Orleans, La.
Member since Jan 2004
2242 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:53 am to
Hey Tiger5750, does it bother you at all that Joe Biden leveraged over a billion dollars of American taxpayer money to strong arm Ukraine into firing the prosecutor who was investigating his son? Does this bother you at all?

If it doesn't, you can join the enormous pile of Democrats who clearly have no principals. If this were about protecting our country, you would be demanding that Joe Biden drop out and be indicted for treason. But of course you wouldn't demand that, because this is all about power and politics. Nothing more.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35373 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:54 am to
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Nothing about it implies a quid pro quo, however.
True, but other than reporting on what the D's are saying about it, the article doesn't present the assistance as quid pro quo anyways.

Regardless, the article's headline is accurate, and I'm not sure how the OP (or anyone else) can argue that it's inaccurate, let alone an outright lie.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:56 am to
quote:

True, but other than reporting on what the D's are saying about it, the article doesn't present the assistance as quid pro quo anyways.



Then they should probably changed their LYING headline.

quote:

Regardless, the article's headline is accurate, and I'm not sure how the OP (or anyone else) can argue that it's inaccurate, let alone an outright lie.



Wait, wut? You just said that there wasn't a QPQ......the headline says their was
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24092 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:57 am to
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Regardless, I don't know how you can say that the article is a lie.


Because the allegation is trump offered aid in return for investigation.

The liars at the wapo are trying to deceive people into believing that happened.

But you knew that
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154579 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:58 am to
The derangement crew is embarrassing. Congrats.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76546 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:58 am to
quote:

True, but other than reporting on what the D's are saying about it, the article doesn't present the assistance as quid pro quo anyways.
quote:

Regardless, the article's headline is accurate


Contradicted yourself in one post.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35373 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:58 am to
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Joe Biden leveraged over a billion dollars of American taxpayer money to strong arm Ukraine into firing the prosecutor who was investigating his son?
This has about as much verifiable and objective evidence as Trump doing the same to investigate Biden.
quote:

Does this bother you at all?
It bothers me that people are making accusations as if they are an objective truth with evidence to support them, and that goes for the accusations against Trump and Biden.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24092 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:59 am to
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This has about as much verifiable and objective evidence as Trump doing the same to investigate Biden.


It’s not our fault your ignorance is informing your views.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30543 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:01 pm to
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The only thing wrong with that headline is that it’s not a transcript - it’s a memo. It’s the best spin they could put on this call & it is very obviously a quid pro quo.



Look guys we got another alter to show up and spout bullshite… Is there a record for alters in one day?
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30543 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:03 pm to
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This has about as much verifiable and objective evidence as Trump doing the same to investigate Biden.


Did you answer for your alter? hmmm...
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
40921 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:04 pm to
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This has about as much verifiable and objective evidence as Trump doing the same to investigate Biden.

Except our news media has declared one a conspiracy theory and the other an impeachable offense. The double standard is glaring.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35373 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:05 pm to
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Contradicted yourself in one post.
I didn't contradict myself. The article only shows that Trump offered assistance, and they only make claims regarding that.

And what I was referring to in regards to quid pro quo is a direct quote from Schiff, who is obviously a hack, but he IS the chair of the House Intelligence Committee. But right before the quote, they note that the DOJ determined that the call did not violate campaign finance laws as well.
quote:

While the Justice Department has concluded the call did not violate campaign finance law, a growing number of Democrats are pushing for impeachment, saying the president’s conduct — seeking a foreign country’s aid in discrediting a political rival — betrayed his oath of office and endangered national security. Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), who chairs the House Intelligence Committee, said the call “reads like a classic mob shakedown.”
It seems to me that both the DOJ's decision about the call, and the views of the leaders of the branch of government who is trying to use the call to impeach the president are both warranted in the story. And while Schiff's views may be wrong, they are still important to the story and directly quoting him does not imply anything about the veracity of his views.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35373 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:06 pm to
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Did you answer for your alter? hmmm...
Huh?
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