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re: WAPO article for you to read today: explains why we can’t cut health costs to Euro levels

Posted on 6/23/19 at 5:50 pm to
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 5:50 pm to
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Let's just cut to the chase: If the answer is to force food stamp recipients to eat only healthy foods, then they will throw it in the trash and go hungry
Good. We need less poor useless leaches anyway. Maybe they’ll starve.
Posted by cokebottleag
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 5:55 pm to
So you’re arguing the easiest way to fire large amounts of people is by making them unionized government workers?
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 5:57 pm to
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Way too much money is spent on HR people at work and on health insurance company staff whose job it is to screw us over and make us take the cheapest care available.

You think a government run system is capable of running a system with less waste?
Posted by Lima Whiskey
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 5:57 pm to
There’s nothing healthy about lean meat.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 5:59 pm to
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Michelle Obama drastically increased the amount of food thrown away in school cafeterias but Trump pulled the plug on it.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 6:01 pm to
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Way too much money is spent on HR people at work and on health insurance company staff whose job it is to screw us over and make us take the cheapest care available.


Lol. If the health insurance company could cut 20% of their workforce, why haven’t they already done it?
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 6:04 pm to
Yeah but so many people not on snap have those problems.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 6:07 pm to
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Other cost-saving measures are theoretically feasible but politically catastrophic. American health-care workers are very highly paid compared with their international counterparts
That is complete confabulated bullshite.

Neither Nurses, nor doctors, nor therapists are "very highly paid" by comparison. When leveled for median national income, US healthcare workers are often paid less than some of their European counterparts. E.g., straight-up, nonspecialist physicians are paid more in Holland than in the US, even though median US income is 1.5X Holland's.

The singular GLARING difference between the US system and all others is our medicolegal tort system. Everything else pales in comparison. Turn our lawyers and idiotic laws loose on England, France, Germany, Sweden, and their costs would soar in a decade.

This post was edited on 6/23/19 at 6:08 pm
Posted by Pelican fan99
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 7:44 pm to
MFA will be the final death blow to this once great nation
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 7:54 pm to
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long before you had shaken every last dollar from their pockets, they would have fled the country, hidden their money or decided to work less in order to become net recipients rather than net donors
it's perplexing why libs can't see this obvious, facile observation. even if it were the case that "socialism" (libs can't agree on what that actually is: see bernie being reprimanded by prime minister of denmark), that doesn't mean it's going to work here, especially given the rugged individualism of americans

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It’s practically a mantra on the left that every other country in the developed world has a marvelous system
lib darling country sweden is moving to a private model. so much for scandinavian parallels. also, lol at pointing to tiny, lily white countries like sweden and iceland as templates. uk's nhs is having serious financial sustainability problems

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that provides better outcomes at lower costs
and w.h.o. lies. it has been documented that people who can afford to, leave socialist/nationalized healthcare countries to have procedures done in the us because of interminable wait periods back home

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we can’t convert them to space-saving, labor-economizing open wards
this and no one wants to admit that an ipab like agency would absolutely have a say in the quality/availability of your healthcare.
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:23 pm to
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You think a government run system is capable of running a system with less waste?


Medicare has lower administrative costs. Look it up.
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:45 pm to
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health insurance company staff whose job it is to screw us ove


Idiot
Posted by pngtiger
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 10:19 pm to
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American health-care workers are very highly paid compared with their international counterparts,


To reiterate what someone else said, the cost to pay healthcare workers is minuscule total healthcare cost. Cutting the salaries by a third would save a whopping 2-3%.

Good luck getting anyone to work in that environment. Already the nurses and providers are overworked, especially because of EMRs (after a 10-12 hour day at the hospital or office, I have another 8 hours of “paperwork” to get done). Our OR has increased production by 32% this year, with the same or less staff than last year. It’s created a revolving door of nurses and scrubs because their overworked.

Also, many of us go to school from 11-16+ years after high school (17 for me), while living off loans or resident salary, racking up mountains of debt. I have a friend that went to trade school after high school. His earning potential is higher than mine, even though he gets paid much less. I would have to work as hard as I am now until I am 60 to get even with him.
This post was edited on 6/23/19 at 10:26 pm
Posted by pngtiger
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 10:35 pm to
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The single biggest thing we can do is cut administrative costs.


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Way too much money is spent on HR people at work and on health insurance company staff whose job it is to screw us over and make us take the cheapest care available.


First sentence is exactly right, need to cut administrative costs. Like the guy above you said, 3200% increase in administrators.

However the second part is wrong. The reason for more administration is because of increasing government regulation. By giving government more control, no cost is going to be saved. Unless, of course, they start denying services to people, I.e. death panels. And BTW, I’m for “death panels” of sorts, wish we could do it more often in certain cases (specifics would take way too long to explain).
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 10:35 pm to
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Medicare has lower administrative costs. Look it up.


Lololol
Posted by FightnBobLafollette
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 6/24/19 at 12:41 am to
Do you really not know the difference between an opinion piece and an article?

Or are you just dishonest?
This post was edited on 6/24/19 at 12:44 am
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 6/24/19 at 12:45 am to
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Do you really not know the difference between an opinion piece and an article?


It's an opinion piece that seeks to explain why it will be difficult.

An opinion and an explanation are not mutually exclusive

the author of the piece has the opinion that it will be difficult...and she explains why she has that opinion.
Posted by FightnBobLafollette
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 6/24/19 at 12:51 am to
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It's an opinion piece that seeks to explain why it will be difficult.


Then present it as such.

Naw, you would rather lie about it and present it as an unbiased piece.
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opinion and an explanation are not mutually exclusive



Of course they are. The writer has position and will be writing to sway you.

McArdle is a right wing writer. Nothing wrong with that. Just acknowledge her position and intent.
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author of the piece has the opinion that it will be difficult...and she explains why she has that opinion.




So, if I present an opinion piece by Bernie staiting the opposite you will read and judge fairly.

Lol

So, the answer to my question is you are dishonest.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73169 posts
Posted on 6/24/19 at 1:48 am to
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So, if I present an opinion piece by Bernie staiting the opposite you will read and judge fairly.


An explanation is not necessarily true or without faults.

"Bernie sanders explains why m4a is possible" is not a misleading headline at all.
Posted by FightnBobLafollette
Member since Oct 2017
12204 posts
Posted on 6/24/19 at 1:56 am to
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An explanation is not necessarily true or without faults.

"Bernie sanders explains why m4a is possible" is not a misleading headline at all.


Sweet deflection.

Yup know if posted an opinion piece by Kriugman what the expected posts would be.

I get it you. You are desperate for approval.
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