re: Want to read a quick primer on the modern history of Iran?

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Neat way to say the US/UK engineered a coup of their democratically elected leadership to reinstall dictatorship of the Shah… directly leading to that revolt in 1979.

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Why are liberals always so dumb? Or prolific liars?

Persia was ruled by a monarchy for 2500 years. In 1925, the Shahs FATHER appointed himself as monarch. In 1935 he changed the name of the country to Iran. Then in 1941 his son became the monarch. Electing some communist as prime minister doesnt end the monarchy. The Shah dismissed him, because the Shah was never under his authority. The monarchy continued right up until 1979, when the Shah abdicated

Plus, the CIA wasnt even formed until 6 years AFTER the Shah succeeded his father. The CIA didnt install anyone

Stop being a retard

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Stop being a retard

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The old saying used to be that the history tooks are written by the winners. In the age of the internet, everybody writes their own history book according to their political interpretation. Even the history of yesterday has already submerged into the slime.

I got the cliffs.....

one bad fricking country.....they need to be removed.

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Have you heard of Mossadegh?

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Yes, but obviously you havent

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In 1944, Mosaddegh was once again elected to parliament. This time he took the lead of the National Front of Iran, created in 1949

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And how was The National Front seen after his years in govt?

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The National Front of Iran was seen as creating direct assault on Islam, the Quran, and divine law. After the revolution Khomeini issued a series of religious decrees specifically condemning the National Front, accusing them of aligning with “infidels,” “communists,” and “religious hypocrites.”

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Someone does indeed need to learn history

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the claim was not that the CIA invented the monarchy

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Again history

1925 - Shah becomes the monarch
1935 - Shah changes name to Iran (from Aryan, yes like the Nazis)
1941 - Shahs son become the monarch
1947 - CIA created
1953 - Mossadegh arrested
1979 - Shah ousted, country becomes a theocracy

Point on the timeline where the CIA installed anyone to lead Iran. And speaking of history, Here are the receipts, 1953 NYT article

Thank you even though we all knew that

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Don’t get me wrong I don’t care for zealots, but goddamn it’s no wonder they hate us so much over there in the dunes.

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Woah.

They nationalized their oil in the early 50's and the Brits made the mistake of not invading and taking their oil back!! Brits been using "terror" to exact a premium for oil and shipping.

POTUS Trump just ended it!!

You are doubling down on the same strawman.

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the claim was not that the CIA invented the monarchy

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Operation Ajax was engineered by the US and U.K. It overthrew the prime minister. This restored the Shah & a far more authoritarian regime. The US has literally acknowledged all this lol. You completely left Ajax… the actual event… off your timeline.

Khomeini has nothing to do with this. Khomeini criticized the National Front after the 1979 revolution because they were secular nationalists. That tells you about Islamist politics in 1979, not whether Mossadegh had democratic legitimacy in 1953.

A NYT headline proves absolutely nothing, and the Shah being a monarch doesn’t contradict a coup.

Jesus lol.

So confidently wrong lol.

“Was Mossadegh trying to overthrow the Shah” & “Did the US/UK overthrow Iran’s sitting govt” are two completely different questions.

Iran was a monarchy, but Mossadegh was selected by the Majlis. He had broad popular support & Shah’s authority had already been challenged / limited.

By your logic, any PM limiting a monarch would be “attempting a coup”. Nonsense.

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There was no coup. The CIA organized protests.

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Literally describing a coup. They also coordinated military elements.

Your argument here is basically “It wasn’t a coup, it was just foreign intelligence organizing unrest to remove the government”

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Mossadegh was trying to seize power

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Backwards. He was already PM acting within a parliamentary system. Weakening monarchy & nationalizing oil from that seat is simply reform.

And all a NYT headline proves is how the situation was framed during the Cold War… this is such a rich argument trying to pass a headline as evidence from a guy who probably exclusively gets his news from Twitter because of institutional distrust.

And you’re still arguing a strawman… that the CIA didn’t install the Shah. See no one says this & certainly I haven’t said it in this conversation. The point is they overthrew Iran’s sitting government in 1953, which even the U.S. government now acknowledges.

Your argument is founded on Shah being the government, and that was not the case from 51-53.

In 53 Iran was a constitutional monarchy. It wasn’t an absolute monarchy & Mossadegh was selected by Iran’s equivalent of parliament.

The Shah had constitutional authority to remove the PM, but Mossadegh had parliamentary backing + popular support. The Shah had already fled the country.

Without CIA/MI6 intervention, the dismissal decree fails.

A coup is forcibly removing a sitting executive authority, which is exactly what happened to Mossadegh.

This is not even controversial man. The CIA internally documented Operation Ajax as regime change.

You are erasing PM & parliament from the Iranian govt… depicting early 50s Iran as an absolute monarchy & using Cold War framing to justify the whole affair after the fact.

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They were goat frickers living in mud house and nomads until around 1850. Then a Brit discovered oil on their land in the early 1900's. BP paid them pennies on the dollar until they tried to nationalize the oil industry in the early 1950's. CIA and MI6 killed the guy and planted their own guy, but BP started to pay them 50/50 on the profits. Iran got rich and then overthrew their own government in 1979. They nationalized the oil industry for good and have been assholes ever since. End book.

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You sure whitewashed Jimmuh's role right out of that.

People should listen to "The Rest Is History" and their account of this. They are not Carterbashers by any stretch, concede that he had shite cards to play, and was very unlucky, but still managed to pour gas on a dumpster fire.