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re: Vivek going up in flames
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:35 pm to Undertow
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:35 pm to Undertow
I think he's correct that modern American culture is vapid, weak, etc.
I think he's incorrect that America should be striving foremost to be a culture that celebrates nerdiness/STEM/intense work ethic to the detriment of other things that matter.
I think he's incorrect that America should be striving foremost to be a culture that celebrates nerdiness/STEM/intense work ethic to the detriment of other things that matter.
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Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:36 pm to Old Money
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We have real problems still. You get sick here, you're out the rat race and your family is fricked. I know "the right" hate to read this inconvenient truth. But hey, lets focus on the culture war boogeyman... those trans and gay people ruining the country. Not these hyper capitalist fricks that truly impact your life.
It can be BOTH
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:36 pm to boomtown143
So, is MAGA now socialist?
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:36 pm to HagaDaga
Here is the whole thing.
The reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born & first-generation engineers over “native” Americans isn’t because of an innate American IQ deficit (a lazy & wrong explanation). A key part of it comes down to the c-word: culture. Tough questions demand tough answers & if we’re really serious about fixing the problem, we have to confront the TRUTH:
Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long (at least since the 90s and likely longer). That doesn’t start in college, it starts YOUNG.
A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers.
A culture that venerates Cory from “Boy Meets World,” or Zach & Slater over Screech in “Saved by the Bell,” or ‘Stefan’ over Steve Urkel in “Family Matters,” will not produce the best engineers.
(Fact: I know *multiple* sets of immigrant parents in the 90s who actively limited how much their kids could watch those TV shows precisely because they promoted mediocrity…and their kids went on to become wildly successful STEM graduates).
More movies like Whiplash, fewer reruns of “Friends.” More math tutoring, fewer sleepovers. More weekend science competitions, fewer Saturday morning cartoons. More books, less TV. More creating, less “chillin.” More extracurriculars, less “hanging out at the mall.”
Most normal American parents look skeptically at “those kinds of parents.” More normal American kids view such “those kinds of kids” with scorn. If you grow up aspiring to normalcy, normalcy is what you will achieve.
Now close your eyes & visualize which families you knew in the 90s (or even now) who raise their kids according to one model versus the other. Be brutally honest.
“Normalcy” doesn’t cut it in a hyper-competitive global market for technical talent. And if we pretend like it does, we’ll have our asses handed to us by China.
This can be our Sputnik moment. We’ve awaken from slumber before & we can do it again. Trump’s election hopefully marks the beginning of a new golden era in America, but only if our culture fully wakes up. A culture that once again prioritizes achievement over normalcy; excellence over mediocrity; nerdiness over conformity; hard work over laziness.
That’s the work we have cut out for us, rather than wallowing in victimhood & just wishing (or legislating) alternative hiring practices into existence. I’m confident we can do it. ???? ????
11:02 AM · Dec 26, 2024
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The reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born & first-generation engineers over “native” Americans isn’t because of an innate American IQ deficit (a lazy & wrong explanation). A key part of it comes down to the c-word: culture. Tough questions demand tough answers & if we’re really serious about fixing the problem, we have to confront the TRUTH:
Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long (at least since the 90s and likely longer). That doesn’t start in college, it starts YOUNG.
A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers.
A culture that venerates Cory from “Boy Meets World,” or Zach & Slater over Screech in “Saved by the Bell,” or ‘Stefan’ over Steve Urkel in “Family Matters,” will not produce the best engineers.
(Fact: I know *multiple* sets of immigrant parents in the 90s who actively limited how much their kids could watch those TV shows precisely because they promoted mediocrity…and their kids went on to become wildly successful STEM graduates).
More movies like Whiplash, fewer reruns of “Friends.” More math tutoring, fewer sleepovers. More weekend science competitions, fewer Saturday morning cartoons. More books, less TV. More creating, less “chillin.” More extracurriculars, less “hanging out at the mall.”
Most normal American parents look skeptically at “those kinds of parents.” More normal American kids view such “those kinds of kids” with scorn. If you grow up aspiring to normalcy, normalcy is what you will achieve.
Now close your eyes & visualize which families you knew in the 90s (or even now) who raise their kids according to one model versus the other. Be brutally honest.
“Normalcy” doesn’t cut it in a hyper-competitive global market for technical talent. And if we pretend like it does, we’ll have our asses handed to us by China.
This can be our Sputnik moment. We’ve awaken from slumber before & we can do it again. Trump’s election hopefully marks the beginning of a new golden era in America, but only if our culture fully wakes up. A culture that once again prioritizes achievement over normalcy; excellence over mediocrity; nerdiness over conformity; hard work over laziness.
That’s the work we have cut out for us, rather than wallowing in victimhood & just wishing (or legislating) alternative hiring practices into existence. I’m confident we can do it. ???? ????
11:02 AM · Dec 26, 2024
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4.6M
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Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:36 pm to texag7
Indian men aren't considered under-represented minorities by anybody in tech and Silicon Valley. That's for Black, Hispanics and women
DEI is against them as a matter of fact
DEI is against them as a matter of fact
This post was edited on 12/26/24 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:36 pm to Old Money
Every time the media talks about this:
No one learns about this
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those trans and gay people ruining the country
No one learns about this
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Not these hyper capitalist fricks that truly impact your life.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:37 pm to Bunk Moreland
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Tiger
Elon kind of did the same thing yesterday and said people already here are lazy.
It's generational.
The millennials at my job for the most part aren't worth a shite. Spoiled and entitled and HR won't do anything when they complain except for capitulate and bend the knee to their ridiculous demands. GenZ is a little different, it's 50/50 with them and they're waking up and taking cues from us veteran employees. We GenX'ers are holding down the fort. Once we're all retired, everything will go to shite unless the Z crowd forcefully takes the reins from millennials.
I'm not saying all millennials are bad because we definitely have some workers, but even those guys are very bratty compared to the veterans.
We had to try and fix the direction of this nation so we got pissed off enough to act and ensure a Trump victory. My suggestion now is pretty much to look past the millennial generation, because for the most part they're a lost cause. Focus on the GenZ crowd, because they're more receptive and have unlimited potential. I see it every day mentoring these younger guys at work.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:38 pm to Old Money
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:38 pm to Pendulum
Thats a pretty good article by Vivek. I would put a bit of spin on the dialogue.
Any company with a real set of mission statements, values. and policies can over come the malaise by having an effective hiring process that recruits people that inherently have similar attributes.
Any company with a real set of mission statements, values. and policies can over come the malaise by having an effective hiring process that recruits people that inherently have similar attributes.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:38 pm to TigerAxeOK
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I'm not saying all millennials are bad because we definitely have some workers, but even those guys are very bratty compared to the veterans.
We had to try and fix the direction of this nation so we got pissed off enough to act and ensure a Trump victory. My suggestion now is pretty much to look past the millennial generation, because for the most part they're a lost cause. Focus on the GenZ crowd, because they're more receptive and have unlimited potential. I see it every day mentoring these younger guys at work.
Millennial here and I completely agree.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:38 pm to Trevaylin
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Thats a pretty good article by Vivek. I would put a bit of spin on the dialogue.
Any company with a real set of mission statements, values. and policies can over come the malaise by having an effective hiring process that recruits people that inherently have similar attributes.
This is a debate though. Your statement in its purest form is 100000000% correct. However, in application in real life this is not happening.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:39 pm to Bunk Moreland
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Elon kind of did the same thing yesterday and said people already here are lazy.
Gee, it’s almost like they’re on to something.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:39 pm to 50_Tiger
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However, if this were truly the case, why isnt India anymore developed than the US currently? It has roughly 3 times the population.
This is a question I can answer seriously if you are interested. Mainly, the goal of the Indian elite was to ensure non-interference in their domestic politics by foreign powers. That led to a very wayward monetary and economic policy until 1991, when economic liberalization began. Since then, it has grown from an economy of 300 billion to a 3 trillion one, but growth has been uneven for numerous reasons. Their issues with their diaspora aren't that much different from places like England and France during the Industrial Revolution, which needed to send their excess population to the colonies in order to maximize their domestic production.
There is a large population in the still developing world which needs to move abroad to meet the job demand alone. Egypt is another country that needs to send its population out in order to maximize production efficiency domestically, but the site of Egyptian migration is generally the Gulf. Any country with a large population and with a very high TFR will suffer the same fate. Countries in the Western Hemisphere grew their populations more in line with their domestic efficiency, as they were often the source of historical migration. But the trend in India isn't dissimilar to other industrializing countries. It's just that the diaspora is going to contain hundreds of millions rather than tens of millions.
I should note that there are still some holdovers of the older Indian economic policy, which severely limits foreign direct investment into the economy. There were rumors that Modi was considering opening up India in that regard.
This post was edited on 12/26/24 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:39 pm to jizzle6609
Us pre-internet millennials get such a bad rep
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:39 pm to StringedInstruments
quote:quote:Exactly.
Foreign born “engineers” are cheap.
Plus these “engineers” carry extremely little corporate liability. If their design screws up it’s not taking out a neighborhood block. It’s just a software glitch and you update the software.
Engineers whose business is to get energy from point A to point B are totally different in terms of liability and responsibility than these software engineers.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:39 pm to 50_Tiger
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:40 pm to boomtown143
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:41 pm to crazy4lsu
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This is a question I can answer seriously if you are interested. Mainly, the goal of the Indian elite was to ensure non-interference in their domestic politics by foreign powers. That led to a very wayward monetary and economic policy until 1991, when economic liberalization began. Since then, it has grown from an economy of 300 billion to a 3 trillion one, but growth has been uneven for numerous reasons. Their issues with their diaspora aren't that much different from places like England and France during the Industrial Revolution, which needed to send their excess population to the colonies in order to maximize their domestic production.
There is a large population in the still developing world which needs to move abroad to meet the job demand alone. Egypt is another country that needs to send its population out in order to maximize production efficiency domestically, but the site of Egyptian migration is generally the Gulf. Any country with a large population and with a very high TFR will suffer the same fate. Countries in the Western Hemisphere grew their populations more in line with their domestic efficiency, as they were often the source of historical migration. But the trend in India isn't dissimilar to other industrializing countries. It's just that the diaspora is going to contain hundreds of millions rather than tens of millions.
I appreciate the genuine response. My follow up question to this would be this:
Why would India in return (assuming everything above is true) willingly send out its brightest (aka support its own brain drain) unless, they really aren't and its purely a basis to generate more profit by exploiting labor?
This post was edited on 12/26/24 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:42 pm to Bunk Moreland
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This is an amazing civil war. The honeymoon didn’t even make it to the inauguration.
That's because MAGA doesn't make sense as an overall philosophy
It can exist temporarily as an anti-Dem party, but when I have to actually create policy and govern across their grouping, they can't do it because it's at odds with each other.
Doge I hardly knew thee
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:43 pm to 50_Tiger
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So you effectively agree with him the India has a better culture than the US?
They have FAR lower divorce rates and coming from an intact nuclear family is the #1 determinant of success. Not saying that kids from broken homes can never be successful, but they don't have the same advantages as the kids from stable families.
This post was edited on 12/26/24 at 3:54 pm
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