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re: Virginia AG vows to press forward w/ anti- gun laws
Posted on 12/23/19 at 10:16 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 12/23/19 at 10:16 am to RollTide1987
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"gun sanctuaries" goes a long way in preventing a death by a thousand cuts.
No they do not... If VA passes a law that prevents the sale of any magazine capable of holding over 8 rounds, then magazine manufacturers are not going to ship to that state...
If VA makes it illegal to sell a firearm because of its "action", then a manufacturer is not going to ship to that state...
If VA decides to put a 100% ammunition tax on all ammunition sales, then the localities will be required to collect...
It really does not matter what the counties and cities do at that point when someone can be prosecuted for shipping the items into the state or when it comes to taxing items...
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Posted on 12/23/19 at 10:16 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
I thought Democrats didn't want our guns? Just another of their long list of lies.
Posted on 12/23/19 at 10:21 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
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LEO publication answers back to the AG “Just WTF is this ‘we’ you are talking about?”
Posted on 12/23/19 at 10:22 am to idlewatcher
1 out of every 10 Virgians are third world immigrants, they can from countries with no rights, why would anyone expect them to even comprehend our nation?
Posted on 12/23/19 at 10:23 am to The Maj
An ornerous ammo tax has been floated by Dems for a minimum of 30 years and would clearly be a court case that hits SCOTUS before it could be enforced.
Magazine size? Legal to regulate given that NJ, MD, etc require absurdly small mags to meet state law (6-8 round mags on guns that hold 15+ in a standard mag elsewhere.)
When you say “action”, do you mean semi-auto as opposed to single-action revolver or double-action revolver? I think this would be new ground, like the ammo tax, and would likely be tied up in courts for years.
Magazine size? Legal to regulate given that NJ, MD, etc require absurdly small mags to meet state law (6-8 round mags on guns that hold 15+ in a standard mag elsewhere.)
When you say “action”, do you mean semi-auto as opposed to single-action revolver or double-action revolver? I think this would be new ground, like the ammo tax, and would likely be tied up in courts for years.
Posted on 12/23/19 at 10:23 am to The Maj
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It really does not matter what the counties and cities do at that point when someone can be prosecuted for shipping the items into the state or when it comes to taxing items...
Sanctuary cities seem to be working out....
Posted on 12/23/19 at 10:24 am to Loserman
Posted on 12/23/19 at 10:26 am to The Maj
I think you're underestimating just how unpopular these new laws are and just how uninterested Virginia law enforcement would be to follow them. I'm not saying Virginia police will look the other way, but...yeah.
Posted on 12/23/19 at 10:26 am to teke184
And tied to all the above... if the items are legal to own in VA but are taxed heavily or can’t be imported by dealers, the obvious workaround is for there to be gun shows and/or dealers on the state borders of WV, NC, and KY.
NY state and others have tried taxing cigarettes heavily for years but keep getting blown out by people buying in bulk either at reservations or New Hampshire.
NY state and others have tried taxing cigarettes heavily for years but keep getting blown out by people buying in bulk either at reservations or New Hampshire.
Posted on 12/23/19 at 10:28 am to Strannix
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Sanctuary cities seem to be working out....
Isn't it funny how the lefties who support not enforcing the immigration and drug laws that they don't like are suddenly against others doing the same thing with a law the lefties do like.
Posted on 12/23/19 at 10:28 am to teke184
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“action”, do you mean semi-auto as opposed to single-action revolver or double-action revolver?
It really does not matter, it is an example of what they can do... They do not have to confiscate the firearms to dry things up and unfortunately, they know that... All they have to do is make things difficult... They could say "any gas operated firearm" and most people would not have a frickin clue what they were talking about...
How do you think a State levying an ammo tax is any different than a Tobacco or Alcohol tax?
Magazine size and certain firearm characteristics have already been demonstrated in CA and many manufacturers/suppliers will not ship to CA...
Posted on 12/23/19 at 10:29 am to The Maj
Tobacco and Alcohol aren’t guaranteed by the constitution. Firearms, and by extension, ammunition are.
Posted on 12/23/19 at 10:30 am to RollTide1987
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Virginia law enforcement would be to follow them.
You have got to be kidding me... my examples did not have LE going in homes to confiscating these things... as a matter of fact most enforcement would not involve LE in the least...
Posted on 12/23/19 at 10:31 am to The Maj
This is where the black market comes in.
Posted on 12/23/19 at 10:32 am to teke184
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the obvious workaround is for there to be gun shows and/or dealers on the state borders of WV, NC, and KY.
So, include in the law it is illegal to transport without paying the taxes or having a permit to do so... Still folks will do it but get pegged with a traffic stop and then get pegged with other things as well...
Posted on 12/23/19 at 10:33 am to teke184
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And tied to all the above... if the items are legal to own in VA but are taxed heavily or can’t be imported by dealers, the obvious workaround is for there to be gun shows and/or dealers on the state borders of WV, NC, and KY.
That's not a workaround. Gun sellers (FFL holders) cannot legally sell to an out-of-state buyer, unless the buyer is an FFL holder. Also, anyone who sets up shop at a gun show without an FFL for the purpose of selling firearms banned in Virginia to Virginia residents is also breaking federal law.
Posted on 12/23/19 at 10:34 am to teke184
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Firearms, and by extension, ammunition are.
You willing to bet your ammunition on it being interpreted that way when it comes to taxes applied by a State?
Not saying I am for this shite or that it will hold up to a SCOTUS challenge but the simply passage of laws like this should be concern for anyone and it is the game that they will play...
Posted on 12/23/19 at 10:36 am to TideCPA
True, but like I said, the idea is make the cost of enforcement sky high.
This is how prohibition was eventually crushed.
This is how prohibition was eventually crushed.
Posted on 12/23/19 at 10:39 am to The Maj
Do I write it off completely? No.
But considering the court’s stance on laws written expressly to infringe on the 2nd lately, it has a good chance of being stayed until heard.
For all we know, the whole matter becomes moot before a ruling either through a political turnover in VA or the formation of the new state of Central Virginia.
But considering the court’s stance on laws written expressly to infringe on the 2nd lately, it has a good chance of being stayed until heard.
For all we know, the whole matter becomes moot before a ruling either through a political turnover in VA or the formation of the new state of Central Virginia.
Posted on 12/23/19 at 10:39 am to TrueTiger
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