re: Viktor Orban is getting desperate and about to bite off more than he can chew

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You're doing what the EU does, which is to conflate global trade and commitment to democratic norms with cultural trash EU seeks to impose on members states.

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That trade is via the EU, set by the rules of the EU (which is why it makes it so profitable he can freeride so much).

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Are we defining mandated migration quotas and LGBTQ initiatives as globalism?

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I have no idea. People change what "globalism" means, and in this specific conversation, within sentences/paragraphs.

When you join an international organization you accept the rules of that organization. Complaining about the benefits derived from enforcement of those rules while then claiming enforcement of rules you don't like is some form of international authoritarianism is the height of dishonesty.

And what makes it even worse is that they can leave. The UK proved that is possible. Same with NATO. Just leave.

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Sure if your foremost hobbies are Ukraine and watching migrant rape, I guess

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Is Putin paying you like he pays Orban?

He is also very naive/obtuse on CIA/NED/USAID meddling in Ukraine, Georgia, Hungary, etc. It's always organic grassroots movements in response to backwards tyrants or something in his head. This is one of the only subjects where I can't stand his opinion.

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I have no idea. People change what "globalism" means, and in this specific conversation, within sentences/paragraphs.

When you join an international organization you accept the rules of that organization. Complaining about the benefits derived from enforcement of those rules while then claiming enforcement of rules you don't like is some form of international authoritarianism is the height of dishonesty.

And what makes it even worse is that they can leave. The UK proved that is possible. Same with NATO. Just leave.

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Nobody was telling Hungary to accept a few hundred thousand anti-Western Muslims in 2004. I doubt the EU pitched Hungary that they would seek to harm it financially if it prohibited LGBTQ material for children in 2004.

Hungary should thus be forced to go through the pains of separating from a market it's deeply tied to in order to have any autonomy over its own culture? That may be solution, eventually. The EU is catastrophically screwed regardless. Meanwhile, I certainly don't blame Orban for leveraging the EU's own rules (or absence thereof) against it. He's just playing by the rules they set.

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Is Putin paying you like he pays Orban?

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Yeah dude

This is a silly "when you're a hammer, everything's a nail" thing. You're an Ukraine hobbyist, you've devoted a huge portion of your identity to it in recent years. Orban is on "the other side" of that, so he's the enemy even though at root you probably have more in common with his worldview than the EU or Zelensky.

I find it strange, but I understand there is probably some competing interests. I think it would be reasonable to acknowledge that this is more complex than "Orban bad. Orban love Putin."

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Why wouldn't they? That's the cost/risk of subjecting yourself to such an organization. An organization they GREATLY benefit from, I might add.

OR they can engage in politics to rally enough member states to their side, as the EU is a democratic organization. There is another option other than leaving.

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Because it'll be a rocky road for them, obviously. There's also what they're currently doing - operating within the confines of the EU's own playbook and watching the EU writhe about it all the time.

Personally, I'd like to see the contagion spread, but I think that moment has passed and it's likely irrelevant anyway as the comeuppance is coming regardless of someone exiting the Euro or leaving the union.

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I must’ve missed the clause in the membership agreement that allows the EU to actively attempt regime change against member states with democratically elected governments.

And I'm a little unclear on how leaving the EU is going to result in the globalists in Brussels and DC calling off the color revolution attempts.

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Well the biggest issue seems to be you not wanting to have a serious discussion and you'd prefer to discuss fantasy and LARPing, instead.

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The only pipeline is the Russian one

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That sounds like a tactical error by Orban and something that could have been fixed in the past but he refused in order to associate with Putin.

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What Ukraine is doing is screwing the Hell out of Hungary and it is basically at the requests of EU countries to get Oran in line with their immigration policy!

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The proverbial chickens coming home to roost scenario

I can see why he's so far behind in the latest polling

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Anyone that up voted this is a pure idiot without understanding the situation. The only pipeline is the Russian one and they don’t have a port to ship any in.

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How ironic, there is only one because Orban won't allow another.

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Budapest is nice

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You and I remember Budapest very differently…. Hawkeye