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Posted on 10/4/26 at 8:58 am to BeeFense5
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Cool. Keep that same energy up for yourself and Rohan
Exactly
Posted on 10/4/26 at 9:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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ONLY if you're hyper-focused on race and comparing the 2 populations based on nothing other than race.
IQ, high propensity for violence, this is more than just skin color.
Posted on 10/4/26 at 9:02 am to SlowFlowPro
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He talks about culture and then ignores that Latinos are Western culture
Is that why central and south America is littered with Latino countries that have wide open free speech guarantees?
Posted on 10/4/26 at 9:03 am to SDVTiger
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Your TDS is at all time levels. Your mask has fallen off
PERFECT example of the point Socrates made. I said something that was undeniably true.
To SDV and those up voting him:
Truthfulness, apparently is a sign of having TDS.
Posted on 10/4/26 at 9:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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He talks about IQ and then ignores Asian IQs (including "brown" Asians like Indians)
Really curious about this. Since I'm not a white supremacist, why do you keep repeating this to me?
Also Indias average IQ much lower, probably in the 70s or 80s, compared to most other Asian demographics.
Posted on 10/4/26 at 9:05 am to TrueTiger
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think many here know that when receiving ad hominem attacks is a sign that you're winning.
I would hope so. That hasn't been my experience.
Posted on 10/4/26 at 9:06 am to IvoryBillMatt
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I would hope so. That hasn't been my experience.
I've been called worse than Hitler in this thread. Means I'm winning right?
Posted on 10/4/26 at 9:09 am to themunch
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Is this a debate club?
No. Sometimes, however, there are debates about whether something is true or not. On those occasions, Socrates's observation saves time.
Posted on 10/4/26 at 9:10 am to DeBoar
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The fact everyone knows who he is in real life and he still talks shite is very interesting but everyone knows he’s a waste of space.
I've met him in real life but it's been about 20 years
BBONDS who is often in disagreement with him claimed that he is a great trial lawyer because he has seen him in action
Very few of the regular MAGA cult know him IRL
Posted on 10/4/26 at 9:11 am to IvoryBillMatt
Always...have you ever heard a Progressive complete a thought absent slander and/or profanity? Of course not ..Summertime thundershower puddles in New Orleans possess more depth than the Left side of the aisle
Posted on 10/4/26 at 9:14 am to SlowFlowPro
OK. Didn’t exactly answer what I asked. But thanks, I guess.
Posted on 10/4/26 at 9:17 am to junkyarddawg3
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1) Don’t “say” something to anyone that I wouldn’t say to them face-to-face.
2) Don’t resort to insults and name-calling during a discussion.
3) As soon as I do either of those, I have lost my credibility in the discussion.
Good rules.
I am guilty of tossing the "cowardly liar" accusation around too much. Sometimes people are genuinely mistaken.
Posted on 10/4/26 at 9:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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But you can't make false summaries of their arguments/positions without losing.
Posted on 10/4/26 at 9:19 am to Azkiger
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Also Indias average IQ much lower, probably in the 70s or 80s, compared to most other Asian demographics.
What about the ones living in the United States? Do you think they fit that same broad distribution?
Posted on 10/4/26 at 9:20 am to Pepperoni
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Socrates never said it. At this point, the real slander is what losers keep attributing to poor Socrates.
Now THIS is solid criticism. I didn't research it. I will, now. Thanks.
FWIW, it is a true statement irrespective of it's origin.
Posted on 10/4/26 at 9:22 am to Powerman
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Very few of the regular MAGA cult know him IRL
okay …Posted on 10/4/26 at 9:23 am to Powerman
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What about the ones living in the United States? Do you think they fit that same broad distribution?
No, we've generally been taking the cream of the crop. Still, I will note, there is concern that the same culture that's known for scams is potential falsifying educational documents so its difficult to say with high certainty.
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Posted on 10/4/26 at 9:26 am to Pepperoni
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Socrates never said it.
You're correct. Thanks. It IS consistent with Socratic thought, though, and a good tip.
ChatGPT:
The saying commonly attributed to Socrates is:
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
That quotation is not authentic. There is no evidence Socrates ever said it, and fact-checkers have traced it to modern internet circulation rather than to Plato or Xenophon. ?
Politifact API
However, the underlying idea is genuinely very Socratic.
In Plato's Apology, Socrates explicitly discusses his opponents using slander rather than substantive argument. He says that long-standing rumors about him were more dangerous than the formal charges because they had prejudiced the Athenians against him before he ever got a chance to answer them. He calls these people his “slanderers” and says they had been spreading false accusations for years. ?
Socrates Plato +1
One particularly relevant passage is his observation that his opponents had been “speaking about me in a concerted and persuasive way” and had “slandered me vigorously for a long time.” His response is essentially: let's examine the actual claims and see whether they are true. ?
Socrates Plato
There's also an interesting connection to the supposed quote. The original Greek accusation against Socrates included the charge that he was “making the weaker argument stronger.” ? That's probably one reason modern people sometimes associate Socrates with the idea of winning arguments through rhetorical tricks.
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So I would distinguish them this way:
? “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” — not a genuine Socrates quotation.
? Socrates argued that people who could not answer his questioning sometimes resorted to attacks, accusations, and slander. — very much consistent with Apology.
? His fundamental method was to return to the truth of the proposition rather than attack the person making it.
If you're looking for a genuine ancient quotation that conveys “if you have to resort to personal attacks, you've abandoned the argument,” I can find the closest authentic Socrates/Plato passage.
Posted on 10/4/26 at 9:31 am to FredBear
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Seeing a left winger accuse others of slander after over a decade of over the top ridiculous investigations and innuendos aimed at Trump is rather amusing
I'm not a left winger. I wasn't accusing anyone of slander. I wasn't referring to Trump.
I was just saying when ANYONE (me included) resorts to personal attacks rather than factual, logical arguments, it's a sign that that person knows they've lost the debate.
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